NZ army issues waterproof camo bibles...

[Strider]

Y'know, If I was in a really sticky situation with someone else, and they pulled out the Babble as a coping measure, I would know I was now doing the thinking for both of us.

good point!

[icefest]

I don't like the way this is going.

even the most secular soldiers decompensate

Please tell me that you can see how this could be considered offensive. It's such a blanket statement, and almost as disrespectful as "Everyone is born an atheist".

"There are no atheists on a battlefield"

Did you mean this?
Please tell me that you can see how this may offend some people. (apart from it not being true)

Do the God-botherers not already have their own?

"God-botherers" Are you trying to be offensive?

Y'know, If I was in a really sticky situation with someone else, and they pulled out the Babble as a coping measure, I would know I was now doing the thinking for both of us.

Firstly, religion does not preclude from rational thought.
Secondly, are you intending to turn this thread into a flame war?



I'm apologising in advance if I read your comments as more disrespectful than they were meant to be.
My point is, I like this community and would rather not see things go to hell with the way this is going.

Failing that, can you talk to the mods and make a separate thread where you can tear each others beliefs to pieces?

(Just Joking)

Lets get back to the topic:
I really like the sound of this technology, I wonder if we can convince the company to redo TASmaps for us?

[GPSGuided]

Oh dear! I knew a religion related forum thread would not end well.

[geoskid]

I'm apologising in advance if I read your comments as more disrespectful than they were meant to be.

Apology accepted icefest, Thank you.

[Strider]

How is "everyone is born an Atheist" offensive? Religious faith is a learned behaviour, not an innate one.

We are not born knowing any particular faith - or anything at all, quite obviously!

[wayno]

this item wouldnt be out of place in a christian bushwalkers gear, for those who want to cary a bible and want something that is durable. i wasnt aware of waterproof books until i read this, i wonder if its available to the general public as well..

hope they don't loose too many...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11117086

Was there anything in particular you wanted to highlight in this article Wayno?

[wayno]

Y'know, If I was in a really sticky situation with someone else, and they pulled out the Babble as a coping measure, I would know I was now doing the thinking for both of us.

there are bad situations where no amount of thinking may improve your situation, and some people turn to religeon to help them get through those situations.
i dont want a discussion on religeon here other than to say, some people find it very useful and if thats the case then i wouldnt make a comment that implies they have stopped thinking totally.

depends how you want to look at life, i'm sure some people look at bushwalking as a massive wste of time. it doesnt make money for a lot of people doing it, takes up all their time,, people are walking for the sake of walking ,modern technology means we no longer have to walk long distances but theres a lot more to bushwalking than meets the eye as there is to religeon and again i dont want people to discuss the positives and negatives of religeon, its far too controversial and big an issue to discus on a bushwalking forum....

a waterproof bible may be considered a useful item to a christian who is bushwalking, to others it may not be considered useful, each to their own,, no disrepect to either side please.

[Moondog55]

@ icefest
It is a common quote which is why it is in parentheses.
It's probably true tho although I have no personal knowledge.


As an historical document the bible is quite interesting and makes good reading when bored, I don't see what all the fuss is about.
There are many different versions out there too and comparing them would be an interesting intellectual exercise.
I have no religious prejudices and people are free to believe what they want; rational or not; as long as it doesn't impinge on my own freedom

[perfectlydark]

Well said wayno. No matter your beleifs if something offers peace and a chance to clear your mind of doubt and fear then by all means use it. If it wont work then dont..simple really

[GPSGuided]

depends how you want to look at life, i'm sure some people look at bushwalking as a massive wste of time...

Not wrong and as for most leisure activities. Further, those footsteps add additional environmental stresses to the bush. But we all love it and do it.

[Joomy]

What about either bulletproof bibles or rain jackets with with biblical quotes printed on the inside. Now that's multiple use.

[icefest]

Military camo consisting of multicolor overlapping biblical passages...

[geoskid]

(post removed)

[geoskid]

no disrepect to either side please.

Thanks Wayno, I can leave the clearing up of the difference between imply and infer .

What do you mean by disrespect? Do you make a distinction between respecting ones right to a belief, and respecting the belief itself?

[Happy Pirate]

they went out and bought a hundred odd eight wheeled APC's,,, they deploy to afghanistan but the APC's are too big to use in the areas of afghanistan the nzers were in.... so they sat at home playing wargames....

they borrowed hummers from the yanks, they wanted something better armoured but the yanks said no, some kiwis were killed when ambushed in the hummers...

they were outgunned by the taleban in afghanistan because the kiwi weapons didnt have enough range to fight back with at long range and when the afghans were firing down from the mountains above...

I wouldn't want to denigrate the bravery, skill or pain suffered by individuals in the NZ military.
But seriously I love the idea of a government making decisions that leaves them sidelined in politically divisive engagements.
Almost...as...if...they...planned...it

One more good reason to move to NZ!
(even if it wasn't planned)

Steve

[madmacca]

I don't know why the need for this in a modern secular society. If people want to believe in imaginary friends thats fine, but it should never be forced onto others.

In a modern secular society, I would have thought we were beyond denigrating the beliefs of others (which also includes the right to not believe at all).

Quite frankly, I find your dismissal of those who have faith as believers in imaginery friends to be offensive.

[KANANGRABOYD]

How the heck does this even "qualify" as a bushwalking topic? - NZ Army-NZ DPCU Bibles - Kokoda-Saving Private Ryan - Born non-religious.......
I'm going back to Candy Crush..........

[Strider]

How the heck does this even "qualify" as a bushwalking topic?

It doesn't. Hence why its in the Equipment forum..

[KANANGRABOYD]

How the heck does this even "qualify" as a bushwalking topic?

It doesn't. Hence why its in the Equipment forum..

Where do I start......................with you!

[icefest]

Where do I start......................with you!

What even does this mean?

[Strider]

Where do I start......................with you!

What even does this mean?

Private joke

[Spartan]

I would be more interested to know why taxpayers money is being wasted on bibles. Do the God-botherers not already have their own?

Strider,

Spoken exactly like a man who has never been to war.

Spartan

[Strider]

I would be more interested to know why taxpayers money is being wasted on bibles. Do the God-botherers not already have their own?

Strider,

Spoken exactly like a man who has never been to war.

Spartan

And I never intend to. Was that supposed to be an insult?

[icefest]

Stop flaming each other. And you are both off topic.

Strider you have been here for 3 years, you should know better. You are representing all atheists. Be nice about it.
Spartan, I know you are in the armed forces and have strong opinions about this topic. Will a flame war change Striders opinion?

Are you planning on buying one Spartan?, Would you expect to be able to take it into deployment?

[Spartan]

I would be more interested to know why taxpayers money is being wasted on bibles. Do the God-botherers not already have their own?

Strider,

Spoken exactly like a man who has never been to war.

Spartan

And I never intend to. Was that supposed to be an insult?

Strider,

More a case of pointing out your ignorance. Countries including Australia and New Zealand make Bibles available to soldiers who want them because they directly raise soldiers' morale. When faced with the prospect of death, many find comfort in reading through the pages of a New Testament, whether they are religious or not. Consequently, governments paying to provide Bibles to the Armed Forces has less to do with promoting religion than it does filling a basic human need: that of emotional and spiritual comfort. I'm not in any sense religious, but as someone who has commanded men in war, I've seen the value firsthand. Consequently, I carry a small Bible in my webbing, and I make it available to those who I feel could use it. This is a lesson I learned from an RSM almost 20 years ago.

Spartan

[Nuts]

Ok, this discussion has upset a few people.
One of us will need to read back and see how this could have happened. Locked (for now) pending that closer review.

[tasadam]

What do people NOT get about friendly, polite?
Too much time is wasted by the moderation team because people cannot be friendly or polite.
I'm inclined to just leave it locked. Further action can be investigated by Matt. I think it needs it.

[Nuts]

Haha,

ok..I got to this post:

this item wouldnt be out of place in a christian bushwalkers gear, for those who want to cary a bible and want something that is durable. i wasnt aware of waterproof books until i read this, i wonder if its available to the general public as well..

hope they don't loose too many...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11117086

Was there anything in particular you wanted to highlight in this article Wayno?

I think there were earlier dramas and edits up till then?

anyhow- my thoughts.

Maybe, in hindsight it would have helped if Wayno had put more effort into the first posts and steering his topic.. either way this clearly wasn't intended as a discussion of ethics/economics or religion.. just waterproof books. So, from there.. vaguely interesting yet completely bizzare. So far I give it 2 of 5 stars as a bushwalking topic, maybe 3 if there was more to know about waterproof books (after the editing that is).


Maybe you guys can do some self-editing here in light of the comments and what will obviously upset other members? Take a look at the forum rules as a guideline