Well I wasn't going to spend any money or buy any more gear but i just bought myself a Western mountaineering "Tamarack" because
1 I needed a new survival bag for ski touring
2 It was only $219-
Any body here got one and used one in cold weather so I can get an idea or how far I could push this thing in winter??
Truth is I think it may be far too warm to use with my existing winter bag but may work out well with my lighter Thinsulate one
Half bag
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Mon 21 Oct, 2013 11:28 am
Yes I know, but I intend now to pass on at least 2 of my existing older bags
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Re: Half bag
by stry » Tue 22 Oct, 2013 3:15 pm
Moondog55 wrote:Yes I know, but I intend now to pass on at least 2 of my existing older bags
Really ???
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Thu 24 Oct, 2013 1:28 pm
Anybody want one. Free to good home but pick-up only
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Mon 28 Oct, 2013 9:23 am
Well I just bit the bullet and put that WM Tamarack on Lay-By. $219- was; I thought; a decent price and I really did not want to cut down one of my Ultra bags.
So now I'm wondering if the combination will be too warm LOL
It does mean that a new lightweight summer bag is on hold again, for another year at least.
So now I'm wondering if the combination will be too warm LOL
It does mean that a new lightweight summer bag is on hold again, for another year at least.
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Re: Half bag
by stry » Mon 28 Oct, 2013 8:13 pm
Cut down your Ultra - Sacrilege !!!
Dunno about being too warm, but I have dabbled briefly with the two bag setup many years ago and it was super cosy.
Your setup of the Tamarack inside the Ultra will, I think, be somewhat more effective than my setup and will, almost certainly, be very warm !!
Sounds like a great setup for winter snow camping !!
Dunno about being too warm, but I have dabbled briefly with the two bag setup many years ago and it was super cosy.
Your setup of the Tamarack inside the Ultra will, I think, be somewhat more effective than my setup and will, almost certainly, be very warm !!
Sounds like a great setup for winter snow camping !!
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Mon 28 Oct, 2013 8:20 pm
What's your set-up again Stry??
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Tue 29 Oct, 2013 1:15 pm
Well I may have to put this purchase on hold for a while, seller has agreed to hold it for a short time tho, the purchase funds have evaporated as they do sometimes
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Re: Half bag
by stry » Tue 29 Oct, 2013 8:37 pm
It was nothing well thought out Moondog.
If I recall correctly one part was an Arthur Ellis hooded mummy and the other was another Ellis bag but with no hood. Can't remember what went inside what, but it was in response to a particularly evil bout of weather which saw around 6 -12 " of snow in camp overnight. Lost the feeling in my heels (not in bed) which was a bit weird. Because the bags weren't designed to go inside each other, it was rather restrictive.
Anyway - it was super warm, and used in a vehicle based base camp. Not that practical to carry around, as those two bags would take up most of the space in the average pack.
I lusted after one of those O/P Ultras when they were available but could never quite bring myself to splash the cash.
If I recall correctly one part was an Arthur Ellis hooded mummy and the other was another Ellis bag but with no hood. Can't remember what went inside what, but it was in response to a particularly evil bout of weather which saw around 6 -12 " of snow in camp overnight. Lost the feeling in my heels (not in bed) which was a bit weird. Because the bags weren't designed to go inside each other, it was rather restrictive.
Anyway - it was super warm, and used in a vehicle based base camp. Not that practical to carry around, as those two bags would take up most of the space in the average pack.
I lusted after one of those O/P Ultras when they were available but could never quite bring myself to splash the cash.
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Re: Half bag
by Lindsay » Wed 30 Oct, 2013 12:32 am
Moondog55 wrote:Well I wasn't going to spend any money or buy any more gear .....
Yeah, that's what we all say...
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Wed 30 Oct, 2013 6:30 am
Do you still lust after one> I happen to have a second bag and willing to part with it to fund a summer bag.
Arthur Ellis did do a double bag in the 60s, one with a hood and the inner without but as you say too heavy and bulky for rucksack carry.
Arthur Ellis did do a double bag in the 60s, one with a hood and the inner without but as you say too heavy and bulky for rucksack carry.
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Re: Half bag
by stry » Wed 30 Oct, 2013 6:48 am
Excellent memory Moondog ! No, I didn't have the factory designed two bag system. That was (as you know) cut and sized to work together. I just improvised with what was to hand.
Thank you for your kind offer but I also suffer from the same disease as yourself. It was diagnosed by an expert on the problem as GAS - Gear Acquisition Syndrome. I believe the disease incubates and procreates with high levels of effectiveness on this forum.
Thank you for your kind offer but I also suffer from the same disease as yourself. It was diagnosed by an expert on the problem as GAS - Gear Acquisition Syndrome. I believe the disease incubates and procreates with high levels of effectiveness on this forum.
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Wed 30 Oct, 2013 9:15 am
I'ves tarted a course of medication and therapy to try and rid myself of the dreaded GAS and so far it seems to have worked for my vinyl collection, I only bought 3 records last month.
The trouble with the Ultra bag is that it was always meant to be used as part of a system and when used on its own there is a lot of empty space that needs to be warmed up before the bag really starts to loft.
The closest modern equivalent is the PHD Combi bag
http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/product_info ... cts_id=217
Only good to -5C and that is assuming wearing a cap and warm underwear and using a bivvy bag and/or tent, I have always believed that is not enough margin for error in our winters and think you need a bag good to -18C
Which is why I was and am looking at the half bag, the one I sold to was far too warm, it was good to -12 on its own
The trouble with the Ultra bag is that it was always meant to be used as part of a system and when used on its own there is a lot of empty space that needs to be warmed up before the bag really starts to loft.
The closest modern equivalent is the PHD Combi bag
http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/product_info ... cts_id=217
Only good to -5C and that is assuming wearing a cap and warm underwear and using a bivvy bag and/or tent, I have always believed that is not enough margin for error in our winters and think you need a bag good to -18C
Which is why I was and am looking at the half bag, the one I sold to was far too warm, it was good to -12 on its own
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Wed 27 Nov, 2013 8:30 am
Well I have had a good look at the Tamarack, it comes up to my armpits and is very warm, in fact it may well be too warm to use a liner for my Ultra and i think it is going to much warmer than the temperature rating given it by WM. For my usage it would also be much much better without the zip. If it goes in my day pack as my "Just-in-case" survival bag I will need to make a new LW goretex ( or equivalent) bivvy as my current one is now looking like the dinosaur it is.
I wrote to WM last month giving my thoughts and asking for their advice but so far I haven't got a reply.
This unit may well be for sale after winter but I won't know until I've given it a real work-out
I wrote to WM last month giving my thoughts and asking for their advice but so far I haven't got a reply.
This unit may well be for sale after winter but I won't know until I've given it a real work-out
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Re: Half bag
by Moondog55 » Fri 29 Nov, 2013 9:59 am
Adding extra information here as well, the Tamarack will fit into my lightweight summer SB with room to spare so that adds another option to my choice of gear
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