Canister stove failure

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Canister stove failure

Postby Orion » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 11:29 am

After numerous trips that were affected by problems with my petrol stove (an MSR) I switched to using canisters. That was well over 20 years ago. Unlike petrol stoves which have a myriad of failure modes canister stoves are so simple. What can go wrong?

Over the years I've had a few canisters where the lindel valve got stuck in the open position. That can be dealt with by leaving the stove on the canister. The only other obvious weak point is the o-ring gasket in the stove that seals around the valve. I actually noticed some minor wear on the o-ring of my stove over fifteen years ago. I bought a replacement o-ring and started carrying it, but never needed it.

So last weekend we're snow camping and the first canister finally runs dry. I swap in a new one and fire up the stove only to see a blue flame coming out of the side of the stove where it meets the canister. I kill the stove and douse the flame. It turns out it's the o-ring.

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But the spare one isn't in the kit, it's with the other stove (we have two identical Gigapower stoves). Fortunately, when I re-mated the canister the chipped and torn o-ring squished together well enough to seal despite its rotten condition. The stove worked just fine! This saved us from either a very thirsty night or a long ski in the dark (for me) down down down to the last running water and then back up up up to our camp.

So a new o-ring for one of our twenty-something year old stoves. I'll make sure and have a spare with both in the future. And inspect critical gear more often (there's a promise I probably won't keep). In the few years I used my MSR stove I replaced numerous o-rings and gaskets and even an entire pump assembly. I don't miss it.

What else can go wrong with a canister stove?
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Gadgetgeek » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 11:37 am

the other seal, the one in the valve could go at some stage. In this case it might not fully shut off, or may allow gas out of the valve, which if it then caught, would be hard to get close to. I'd see if the stoves can be refurbished with new valve seals, it might be worth it, considering the age of them.
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Mark F » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 12:26 pm

Having had the same problem I now carry a spare (0.15g). For info about o-rings, sizes etc see:
http://bushwalkingnsw.org.au/clubsites/FAQ/FAQ_GasStoves.htm#Oring

I ended up buying a heap of the BS011 in Viton. If anybody would like a couple send me a pm - I will give you my address. Then send me a stamped self addressed envelope and I will send you a couple.
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Orion » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 12:39 pm

Gadgetgeek wrote:the other seal, the one in the valve could go at some stage. In this case it might not fully shut off, or may allow gas out of the valve, which if it then caught, would be hard to get close to. I'd see if the stoves can be refurbished with new valve seals, it might be worth it, considering the age of them.

Good point.

I pulled the valve out of that stove and the two o-ring gaskets in the valve look wonderful, with plenty of grease evident. I suppose it's possible they may look okay but be more brittle. The trick is finding appropriate replacement rings. Unlike MSR that sells multiple maintenance and rebuild kits Snowpeak probably doesn't sell any internal parts. The stove itself isn't that expensive; a new one after twenty years wouldn't bother me. Our stoves long ago shed their piezos; it would be nice to have working sparks again. Maybe a birthday present?
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Orion » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 12:40 pm

Mark F wrote:Having had the same problem I now carry a spare (0.15g). For info about o-rings, sizes etc see:
http://bushwalkingnsw.org.au/clubsites/FAQ/FAQ_GasStoves.htm#Oring

I ended up buying a heap of the BS011 in Viton. If anybody would like a couple send me a pm - I will give you my address. Then send me a stamped self addressed envelope and I will send you a couple.

Thanks for the link. I'll try to source them myself before I take advantage of your generous offer.
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Gadgetgeek » Tue 22 Mar, 2016 6:38 pm

If they still had grease, they are likely fine. as long as the rubber has not dried out, in general it either dries out, or goes gummy, either would be obvious to you. Pretty well built if 20 years and its not showing wear in the valve. MSR only sells kits for the liquid fuel stoves, not the gas ones. Once that valve starts to fail, there isn't much to do to fix it. I think in mine its crimped in place.
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Orion » Wed 23 Mar, 2016 6:44 am

I think they are well made stoves. I'm not averse to spending money even for relatively minor gear upgrades. But with regard to upright canister stoves nothing has come along in the last two decades that I've seen that is significantly better. I do wish the piezos were more reliable; they didn't last very long. I kind of miss starting the stove with one hand blindly reaching out of the sleeping bag in the morning.

One thing that has changed over the years is that the valve isn't as precise. That is, when I adjust it and let go it "rebounds" to a slightly higher setting. So to get to the very lowest possible simmer means turning it so low that the flame goes out, then letting go of the knob and relighting it. I rarely want that low a simmer but it is one sign of its age. The inside of the valve looked a little discolored; maybe it's sticky in there?
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Re: Canister stove failure

Postby Gadgetgeek » Wed 23 Mar, 2016 6:37 pm

It could well be that the oring is sticking, and acting like a spring. The trouble is that at the end of the day a butane stove is only as good as its fuel and features, so no, not much advance happening. Unless something like a reactor or jetboil is something you NEED, its better I think to be able to actually cook real food.
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