Goretex Jackets

[Nuts]

No worries Brett, I have a lightly used hermetically sealed world I could let you have cheap Postage could be a killer
(BTW, theres a flaw in your process, i'd suggest, washer-Dryer-pack )

There is some great info coming out of this. Looking back through the other goretex threads much of it has been covered though its good to keep updated as peoples experiences change as quickly as the products.

Hydronaut has a good reputation. i have a pair of overpants. Tough and no worries with w'proof at all.... They dont 'breathe' though. Interesting about your jacket Adam, could be a fault there? Thats what i was getting at, a lot of there fabrics appear to have their fans but can fail for others, seemingly dependent as much on how they hold their tongue.

Ive only washed these particular jackets in pure soap so i'm guessing it's not so much the proceedure. As has been mentioned even removing the DWR shouldnt make them leaky.... I can get Nikwax spray ($29.95 KMD), havent tried ironing or anything either but will do. Be interesting to see how long/if they stay w'proof. What has me a bit spooked is that it Shouldnt technically really make Any difference... short of de-lamination they shouldnt let water through(?)

[Ent]

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[johnw]

(PS the "secret" of Gore-tex might be woollen thermals as they seam to "wick" better than synthetic and also not wearing a windproof top under the jacket, just a thought why some things work for some people but not others)

In my (limited) experience a woollen top without a second layer didn't work for me. My one and only outing to date in my PP Vista (never rains here much these days ), I wore a very lightweight Macpac Merino top under a Berghaus microfleece as a mid-layer. This was on a cool showery day in the Blue Mountains a couple of months ago and I did a lot of up and down hill walking. Was getting too hot so removed the mid-layer. Mistake. It didn't take long for the merino top to get quite damp (and they don't seem to dry as quickly as other fabrics, although this one is not too bad). The system seemed to work perfectly while I wore the extra wicking layer, as I was dry and comfortable up to that point, albeit too warm. I now need to compare this with using a synthetic base-layer when it next rains...and is cooler.

[Ent]

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[Nuts]

Ok, Nikwax spray, first impression: For $30 a bottle and because it would apply the stuff more evenly i'd expect a fine mist spray setting...KMD: No i wont give you my postcode, nor do i want to 'join the club', No i dont need a packliner size bag to carry a 300ml bottle. (Yes I am having a moody day )

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[blacksheep]

brett, i "plug" fact. one system is a wet system that depends on moisture condensing and moving slowly through a layer of PU, the oyher directly vents through un-blocked pores. Massive driving forces like temperature and humidity gradients are not as critical for performance.

[Ent]

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[blacksheep]

Hi blacksheep

Ok am I correct or incorrect that Gore-tex works better the greater the heat difference between the body and the external environment, ie rugged up on a freezing cold day. Also does high humidity days further decrease the differential thus a warm humid day with Gore-tex means it is not going to breath as well as on a cold day with low humidity?

you are mostly correct. a steep temperature gradient on either side of a fabric will give a faster rate of exchange. (as in homeostasis- where elements naturally want to return to a state of equilibrium.) The stronger the difference (temperature or humidity) on either side of the (semi-permeable)membrane, the more rapid the movement across.. Where you miss the mark is where you say "ÿou are rugged up"... layer increase the RET (resistance to evaporative transpiration), so wearing layers (especially dense or bulky layers) will inhibit moisture vapour from exiting a clothing system.

Now on Event does it come with heavy duty outer protective layer or is the material that the Sea to Summit compression bags use the main grade for jackets at the moment? (To me that appears rather fragile for a jacket but great for a compression bag)

good lord no. why would we make a rain jacket with a 15D or 20D face fabric. we use 70D and 210D or 70x140d.

And finally at the risk of incurring the wrath of Nuts (toaster type question from Red Dwarf) will it ever come in a traditional length jacket?

traditional? for Tasmanians? well...I am making a longer jacket than is currenly in the eVent range, yes.

Cheers Brett

PS are there any Gore-tex users that have converted to Event or found any other breathable material better?

I assume this one isn't aimed aty me, but if it were the answer is plenty. We have almost run out of stock and won't get more made up and in stores till Feb. Most of our sales have come from recommendations for very satisfied customers.

[Nuts]

Ok, Nikwax spray )

It just soaked in (aided by a sponge, It was damp but dry enough to see the colour change...dont know how you'd tell what was 'done' if the surface was wet... as recommended)

wouldn't it only 'bead' if you sprayed it on dry fabric anyhow?

[Ent]

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[Julafreak]

Hi all.. I have a question. How do I determine if a Gore-tex product is genuine? I recently walked into a local (in Sabah, M'sia) shop and found that they sell a North Face Gore-Tex jacket at the price of RM399 (that's abt AUD$199). It sounded way to good to be true. I checked North Face's website and it says:

How can I be sure I'm buying a genuine GORE-TEX® product?
No matter which manufacturer makes the product, our label with the GORE-TEX® or WINDSTOPPER® trademark is sewn into an inside or outside seam. You can't miss it. In newer products, it might also be embroidered on the sleeve or chest of a garment, or you might find it on a small metal tag on the outside. Remember: If it doesn't say GORE-TEX®, it's not.

Since my country is popular with fake everything (from watches to handphones to clothes) coming in from Thailand or the Phillipines, Im really doubtful when it comes to buying somthing at a price like this. Obviously, it also comes with the Gore-Tex label/booklet. And it looks *&%$#! real. However the inner fleece layer gave away everything (or I thought it did) because it doesnt feels like the fleece I know (which is supposed to be soft and kind of fluffy?). This looks artificial to me, very thin and almost plastic-ky like. The store owner doesnt sound very convincing either. In need of a waterproof jacket to do the climb up mt kinabalu in Jan..

[under10kg]

I went for a walk with my old gortex parka the other day. It was windy and rain. In about 5 minutes I was cold. I never get cold using my light weight breathable parka and was really supprised how heavy the parka felt and how cold I was.