Remote Canister Gas Stove suggestions?

[kitty]

Im looking at getting a stove...any suggestions?
Requirements...
Gas
Remote canister (lower centre of gravity)
Lightish
Min diameter of pot supports about 14cm when open (due to having a 1L pot with heat exchanger rim).
Less than $100 (approx)

I noted there is the kovea spider and fire maple stove 117t. Can anyone recommend either, or one over the other, or something else?

[Solohike74]

Chinese shellite stove as are sold on eBay. Mines been going strong for over 3 years now. Under $100 with bottle. Runs well below freezing, cheaper to run than canister stove. Mine is the Fire Maple brand.

[corvus]

Im looking at getting a stove...any suggestions?
Requirements...
Gas
Remote canister (lower centre of gravity)
Lightish
Min diameter of pot supports about 14cm when open (due to having a 1L pot with heat exchanger rim).
Less than $100 (approx)

I noted there is the kovea spider and fire maple stove 117t. Can anyone recommend either, or one over the other, or something else?

What pot are you using ?? I use a FMC-XK6, Stove wise you are looking at almost the the best available I have the Spider however I believe the FMS 117T whilst being a good choice the FMS 100t would be better weight and performance wise,reason ease of use all year round set up and control ,not sure about cost these days.
Just checked and they are only around $90.00 AU delivered.

[keithy]

The Kovea Spider has a preheat tube, which is better if you are using the stove in colder climates, as you can use an inverted canister as well. It is heavier as a result. The equivalent Firemaple would be the FMS118 as the FMS117 doesn't have the preheat tube.

I like the wider burner head of the Firemaple stoves, but I don't have a heat exchanger pot. You do get a nice piezo igniter with the Kovea Spider though. You have to supply your own with the FireMaple ones.

I recently picked up a cheapie Firemaple clone and am quite happy with it viewtopic.php?f=63&t=20780, although the quality isn't quite up to FireMaple standard.

I think there are reviews of both the Kovea Spider and the FMS117/118 in some older posts here somewhere.

[kitty]

What pot are you using ??

Primus Eta pot 1L

[corvus]

Check out FMS 100T has nice big pre heat tube and my go to stove now ,paired with your Primus pot good combination

[devoswitch]

I have a Kovea Spider and I find it to be excellent!

[Strider]

Kovea Spider here too. Great stove

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[kitty]

Thanks everyone for your replies and the links - I can see now there are a lot of stove threads alreay! Ive done a bit more reading now.
So looks like the Fire Maples and Kovea Spider are all great remote stoves.
I understand why some people have multiple stoves - so many to choose from! Choices choices...

[north-north-west]

What pot are you using ??

Primus Eta pot 1L

I use a FireMaple 117T with the same pot. No pre-heat tube but it's worked well in snow and reasonably cold Tasmanian conditions. Light, cheap, well made, small enough to fit in the pot with a 230gm canister.

[kitty]

Thanks NNW for the feedback on combo of 117T and pot (and conditions) - good to know.

I ordered the 117T for the following reasons (in order of importance):
Gas - Im happy with gas for the hikes I do. Ive never used a liquid fuel stove so prefer to go with what I know. The FMS shellite stove looks great Solohike and I can see fuel stoves have their purpose.
Remote Canister - lower centre of gravity - want to try something different from my (slightly broken) Micro Rocket.
Availability - the FMS stove can be shipped in 2 weeks with expedited shipping ($2.50USD extra). The Kovea Spider is 4-6 weeks and I couldnt find expedited shipping for it. I needed it sooner rather than later.
Diameter of pot supports 145mm (FM website) - The pot supports (top) on Spider appear to be 12cm (based on MarkFs info on BPL, or HJ says 13cm but not sure if that is the top or base of the supports - no info on Kovea website). The gap in the heat exchanger is 10cm so the Spider only allows 1cm overlap on the pots supports. The FMS should allow more overlap (in theory - will find out). For example the ETA Pot is a very precarious on the Micro Rocket (see pic), I basically have to hold it on the stove the whole time when cooking - so Im liking the idea of wider supports.
Wider burner - both the FMS and Spider have a wider burner than some stoves.
At this stage I dont need a winter stove based on the hikes I do, so the 117T should work for the conditions I hike in. The King Kong FMS 100T does look awesome though for a winter stove - will keep it in mind for colder hikes.
Lightish - 98g (bonus)
$61 delivered (Spider same price $65 delivered)

Thanks all!

PS Just to be clear - Im not bagging the Micro Rocket - I like my Micro Rocket, but its a bit broken and the pots support dimensions dont really suit my new non-stick ETA Pot. Its fine on my other pots without a heat exchanger.

[Strider]

Good choice. The only issue I've heard of regarding those stoves relates to the preheat tube, which the 117T does not have so no worries

You might also be interested to know that the Micro Rocket is actually a rebranded Kovea Flame Tornado.

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[keithy]

The only issue I've heard of regarding those stoves relates to the preheat tube, which the 117T does not have so no worries

I have recently read someone having issues with the threaded brass ring connecting to the gas cylinder on the gas control valve coming detached after possibly over-tightening.

I'll see if I can find where I read it. Might have been BPL forums.

The micro rocket looks precarious with your ETA pot. The minimum gap on the FMS is around 55-60mm, so it should be more stable than the MSR.

Edit: found that issue with the threaded valve failure: http://overthehillsblog.com/2015/07/12/ ... r-failure/. Never seen happen to other stoves before though, so not sure if just unlucky or a design flaw. To me if it was a design flaw, there would be more complaints about it.

[Drew]

I've been thinking of getting myself a FMS-117T too. Any recommendations for good, reliable sellers? AliExpress or Amazon the way to go? Should really have done it months ago before the dollar drop...

Thanks.

[kitty]

You might also be interested to know that the Micro Rocket is actually a rebranded Kovea Flame Tornado.

Yeah Strider - its looks really similar. Its just missing the little triangle piece that sits on top of the burner - which is the piece that broke off my Micro Rocket - so my Micro Rocket is looking very much like a Kovea Tornado at the moment.

Keithy - thanks for the link to the article - its good information and Ill try to be careful with the 117T when connecting to the canister. So do all Fire Maple Stoves have the same design of threaded valve?

Drew - I ordered a 117T from fasttech, based on a few comments on this forum that they were good to deal with. I cannot speak from experience yet, but the purchase has gone smoothly so far - I ordered fast shipping so I will know within about 2 weeks.

[Drew]

Thanks Kitty, I've followed your lead and ordered one too.

[keithy]

So do all Fire Maple Stoves have the same design of threaded valve?

I only have the FMS105 to go by. I was looking at the 117t or 118 before I bought the cheapie stainless steel 117 clone. My FMS105 has the circular valve connector instead of the smaller rectangular valve that the FMS117/118 has. The threaded insert on the 105 is not brass, but looks to be a is a similar insert as the one in the failure.

FMS105 Valve.jpg (36.55 KiB) Viewed 19169 times

But like I said, I've not heard about this part coming undone. Usually failures are from the hose ends connectors, or in the hose itself.

My quickest order from Fasttech was 7 days from postage, but usually they took around 2 weeks to Melbourne.

[kitty]

Fits! Much more stable now.

[Drew]

Good to see that yours has arrived Kitty - I've been starting to get anxious! Hopefully mine isn't far away...

However looking at that picture of yours I'm worried that my coffee pot mightn't fit on the stove!

[kitty]

Hi Drew,
Australia Expedited Air
Placed order 14/09
Shipped 16/09
Arrived 29/09
The burner head is 5cm. I tested for you with a small 7.5cm diameter mug and it just fits on it. Surely your coffee pot is wider? Hope that helps.
All my pots fit on it - perfect. Can also cut my windscreen down in half now

[Drew]

Ah, maybe you went for a faster shipping than me. Mine is Singapore Post. Shipped 19/9. Fingers crossed.

[Aidan]

Just a reminder that some of the multi-fuel stoves can also take canisters.
My Primus Omnilite can and I understand so can some of the MSR/Optimus versions e.g.. msr whisperlite universal, optimus polaris optifuel, Kovea booster, kovea hydra, tangier x2 to name but a few.

Heres a reasonably comprehensive list:
http://thenextchallenge.org/liquid-multi-fuel-stoves/

[Drew]

Just a reminder that some of the multi-fuel stoves can also take canisters.

As a long time Whisperlite user I was quite excited when the Universal came out. But given that I already have a Whisperlite International it seemed pointless to buy the Universal just for the ability to use canisters. It's heavier and more expensive than lots of canister stoves. When my FMS 117T finally arrives then I'll have a nice, light and stable canister stove but still have the Whisperlite if I need to pop down to Antarctica or (more likely) go travelling somewhere where canisters aren't readily available.

[Aidan]

Just a reminder that some of the multi-fuel stoves can also take canisters.

As a long time Whisperlite user I was quite excited when the Universal came out. But given that I already have a Whisperlite International it seemed pointless to buy the Universal just for the ability to use canisters. It's heavier and more expensive than lots of canister stoves. When my FMS 117T finally arrives then I'll have a nice, light and stable canister stove but still have the Whisperlite if I need to pop down to Antarctica or (more likely) go travelling somewhere where canisters aren't readily available.

Nothing wrong with having a choice/collection.
As for weight, something I'm not so impressed about with my Omnilite Ti is how much meths it needs to consume for priming due I feel to its lack of metal to hold any heat.
I could make a cuppa (for one) with my trangia for similar consumption

[icefest]

I have recently read someone having issues with the threaded brass ring connecting to the gas cylinder on the gas control valve coming detached after possibly over-tightening.

That might have been me. I've fixed it with jb-weld and its holding up fine for now.
In hindsight I was probably over-tightening.

[Drew]

My 117T arrived just in time for me to take it out on a walk. Worked nicely. I'm happy with it so far.

[muffin man]

I have a 20 year old Trangia and am wondering if they are still in vogue ? Having only recently come back to walking it seems most people are using other cookers.
Besides being lighter are they also more efficient ?

[corvus]

Trangias "still cut the mustard IMHO" albeit a wee tad heavier than some however paired with a remote gas burner they are very efficient in almost all weathers almost makes me think I could have save heaps of cash If I had bought the TI version

[muffin man]

Trangias "still cut the mustard IMHO" albeit a wee tad heavier than some however paired with a remote gas burner they are very efficient in almost all weathers almost makes me think I could have save heaps of cash If I had bought the TI version

Paired with a remote gas burner...I had no idea they did this..I'll google to see if my old one is compatible.

[Strider]

Trangias "still cut the mustard IMHO" albeit a wee tad heavier than some however paired with a remote gas burner they are very efficient in almost all weathers almost makes me think I could have save heaps of cash If I had bought the TI version

Paired with a remote gas burner...I had no idea they did this..I'll google to see if my old one is compatible.

Have a read of this

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1418

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