Backpacking tent: Single wall or Double wall

[sailfish]

Considering where you are, might be worth considering http://hennessyhammock.com/. My son has one and it has many advantages over a standard tent, comfort is excellent, terrain rocks and vegetation irrelevant etc. Get the snake skins to quickly pack unpack in rain.

Ken

[tasadam]

Congrats on your decision, and I hope it is everything you expect it to be.
And see you (and your red beacon lol) in Feb / March!

[ULWalkingPhil]

Congrats on your decision, and I hope it is everything you expect it to be.
And see you (and your red beacon lol) in Feb / March!

Thanks tasadam, I just hope those platforms on the Overland track camp sites are large enough to fit my new red tent. lol

I'm looking forward for my new delivery to turn up. Hopefully this friday.

We got a lot in common, I to am a Computer Tech and I also love taking nature photography. Had a look at your website, Great images.

[tasadam]

Thanks. My gallery broke last week, had to recover it so lost a lot of formatting, but at least the pics are back.
New website under construction, details to be announced later.

There's a topic here on the forum about Overland track platforms, shouldn't take much to find.
Yep I was right...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=571

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5750

Cheers!

[byrnesy8]

Guys,

I am planning to buy a Nallo as well. I seeking advice on whether it is worthwhile getting the groundsheet as well or is the base tent solid enough?

[ILUVSWTAS]

Guys,

I am planning to buy a Nallo as well. I seeking advice on whether it is worthwhile getting the groundsheet as well or is the base tent solid enough?

Do you walk off track? or on track??

[Tony]

For those who might be interested in silnylon as a tent material there is a thread on BPL at the moment with some brilliant information on silnylon well worth a read.

Tony

[north-north-west]

Guys,

I am planning to buy a Nallo as well. I seeking advice on whether it is worthwhile getting the groundsheet as well or is the base tent solid enough?

The base seems solid enough, but if you pitch much anywhere but on nicely groomed grass the footprint is a good idea. I don't notice the weight and it makes my mind a lot easier.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I ordered the groundsheet for mine. Mine has cleared customs early this morning, I hope to have the tent tomorrow

[byrnesy8]

Thanks for the tip

[ULWalkingPhil]

Tent arrived about an hour ago. Feels light, Very happy with it, Have not taken it out of it's sack yet, Can't wait to try it out, Might go camping tonight, just so I can sleep in it and try out my Exped Downmat 9 Deluxe, The Hilleberg groundsheet appears to be very sturdy and very light, very happy with it, even at $70.00. Taken some images, I will try to upload the images onto here.

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[ULWalkingPhil]

I always use a groundsheet, every tent I ever owned has had some sort of a groundsheet, usually a cheap blue tarp, mainly to keep the tent clean and to have a covered vestibule, I spend time choosing my campsite and always clear the area of anything that could possibly Pearce the tent floor.

It's great that a lot of the tent manufacturers are now making lightweight groundsheets made to fit the tents although at a price.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Only 4 days from the States to arrive.

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[ULWalkingPhil]

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[Nuts]

You bought one of their heaviest 2 man tents, in their heaviest fabric, bought a arguably redundant (given the floor reputation) footprint and then thought about cutting weight in the peg department

Anyhow... Congrats, superb quality....

(I would suggest the optional inner tent and a scrap of tyvek or something for the Nallo vestibule byrnesy rather than spending on the footprint, just my 2c)

[ULWalkingPhil]

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[Nuts]

For those who might be interested in silnylon as a tent material there is a thread on BPL at the moment with some brilliant information on silnylon well worth a read.

Tony

Interesting link tony, Ive noticed misting with the old golite hex (it doesnt yet Seem a problem with the shangri'la). Some manufacturers get a mention in those posts but I suspect it happens to some degree with most silnylon, just that its not noticed in double wall tents. It even happens with our Kerlon tarps when the rain is heavy enough ( )

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[Nuts]

Hi Philip, nothing 'wrong' with any of it, I guess I assumed the main reason you bought the pegs over those supplied (600grams? how many did they give you?) was to save weight. Was just a bit confused why that was an issue when buying such a solid tent One of their heaviest options... However it seems, its still a rag trade (an almost perfect one where the future is less material for greater cost), value is still in the eye of the beholder. Hilleberg are near the top. I do still understand the initial buzz of buying new gear, Good choice for quality, well done.

To Me, a groundsheet provides a degree of protection, you can also buy tents with much lighter floors. It's neither here nor there. Unless perhaps you used something heavy enough to be impenetrable the chance of something puncturing the floor is only helped 'by degrees'. Hilleberg floors dont leak and they are relatively thick. It doesnt take much to clean the floor (if needed).

With the hilleberg models such as the nallo byrnsey mentioned (here I was offering (one) opinion for him and those that read the topic in future) that now have the mesh inner option i believe they are a better choice than the Hilleberg footprint. In summer and warm environments they would likely be the inner most often used...given the choice...they are relatively cheap to replace and a bit lighter.

Also, although the 1200 fabric is lighter it Is adequate for Australian conditions. It may not have come across this way on the Hilleberg site (the consequences of buying online) but they service a market in which conditions here are mild. though, yes, your 1800 fabric will be stronger, no doubt.

Most of your tent should fit onthe platforms, youll still need the pegs but bring some cup hooks for the tent platforms

[ULWalkingPhil]

Just had my first night camping in my new tent, it was a little confusing at first to erect the tent, was
Not sure here I was suppose to insert the pegs, after 5 minutes I figured it out and had the tent erected, this has got to be the easiest tent I have ever erected.

Very happy with the workmanship and the quality on this tent. Every thing fitted perfectly on this tent, there was no sagging on any of the panels, I've never owned a tent that stood perfectly. I can see why you all rave on the quality of the Hilleberg tents.

First night sleeping on my Exped down mat and it was one of the best sleeps I've had in a long time.

[tasadam]

Another 2 cents to this is that I would not consider the Hilleberg groundsheet over a piece of cheap, light, strong (but a bit noisy when new) Tyvek any day.
I always take my Tyvek with me when I use my Nallo. It might not always be needed, but I have it and I use it, and it gives me a clean space of about 45 cm in the vestibule as well. helps a lot to prevent dragging vestibule ground grime into the tent.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Another 2 cents to this is that I would not consider the Hilleberg groundsheet over a piece of cheap, light, strong (but a bit noisy when new) Tyvek any day.
I always take my Tyvek with me when I use my Nallo. It might not always be needed, but I have it and I use it, and it gives me a clean space of about 45 cm in the vestibule as well. helps a lot to prevent dragging vestibule ground grime into the tent.

I looked into the Tyvek, but couldn't find any here in Australia, and I didn't fancy going through the hassles of Cutting to fit the Hilleberg tent. This one is ready made with clips so you can leave it on the tent when packed away.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I'm back from my first camp with my Hilleberg Tent. Very happy with my decision to go with this particular model.

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[ninjapuppet]

Very nice tent Phillip, no doubt!

can you confirm if its weight is 3.5kg as listed?

[ULWalkingPhil]

Yes, it's pretty much as mentioned on there website, 3.5kg with all the pegs supplied.

[ULWalkingPhil]

It's been just over a month since owning my Hilleberg tent, and I am very happy with it, I've done 3 trips so far including the great walk at Fraser Island, while cleaning my tent the other day after a very wet camp last weekend, which I remained bone dry in my tent, I noticed a small hole on the outer fly, it's only a mm wide, but perfectly round, I don't know how that got there, I been very careful with the tent. I can't see anything I could have done to háve caused that small hole, I don't think it's anything to worry about. I hope not.

[Franco]

Soark from open fire ?
Franco

[ninjapuppet]

I don't think it's anything to worry about. I hope not.

For posting it here, it appears that you are worried phil.
Dont mean to be a smart *&%$#!, but .........

worried about rain entering through a 1mm hole? patch it up with some sealant.

worried about it tearing bigger? I saw a youtube video of someone trying to tear kerlon 1200 with their bare hands, and it was extremely difficult.
Then they tried tearing the 1800, and it was virtually impossible.

I think its nothing to worry. Look on the bright side, and consider it extra ventilation



ps, friend just bought the Nammatj 3 (standard non-gt). Listed as 2.9kg, but i measured it to be 3160g
Extrapolating that and with the 3 GT listed as 3.5kg, maybe some batches be over 3.7kg?

[ULWalkingPhil]

I am not worried about water getting in, like you say Hilleberg use very strong material and my tent is made of the 1800 material. Hence I'm not really worried, I'll still like to patch the hole.

Is there a special sealant I should use?

[ULWalkingPhil]

If you order the latest catalogue from Hilleberg website, they include a sample of the Kerlon material used on there tents, there's some great reading in the catalogue and it's free, I could not tear the material, it is indeed very tough material, bit shocked to find a small hole on my tent, sure would like to know how it got there. I'm very careful with my gear.

[Franco]

The "Kerlon" fabric is silicone coated, on both sides, so you use SilNet or another 100%silicone sealing product.
No need to dilute.
On a similar small hole I stuck a piece of masking tape on the other side of the fabric, applied the silicone and let that dry.
After a few hours I pealed off the tape .
Franco