Hilleberg Tents were to buy

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Orion » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 2:48 am

Earthling wrote:Re: Nallo 3 tents (not GT). Is the vestibul big enough to cook in without fear of burning down the house? I mainly use a butane/propane gas stove.
I was thinking for the extra 200grams I might as well upsize from 2 to 3.

We did the same, upsize to the 3. Ms. Hilleberg, the US rep, told us this is a common choice. It's a bit taller than the Nallo 2 and the extra elbow room is really appreciated when everything gets wet.

You should have no problem cooking with butane/propane in the vestibule:

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Earthling » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 5:08 am

Thanks for the reply orion. Always good to see some pics. It looks like there would be room at the sides for a couple of Golite pinnacle packs and still room to cook yeah?
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby norts » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 7:48 am

I hope all you people who have raved about Hilleberg tents are right. I have just placed an order with Moontrail for an Atko.

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby ULWalkingPhil » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 11:05 am

I can't be any happier with my Hilleberg, it's the best tent I've ever owned.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Nuts » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 11:31 am

Norts, the Akto can be a squeeze if your tall or sleep on a downmat... without a water resistant sleeping bag... otherwise its a nice little tent
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby norts » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 11:52 am

I've got ducks disease so thats not a problem, but I do sleep on a down mat but do have a sleeping bag with a dryloft outer

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Nuts » Sat 26 Feb, 2011 11:55 am

:wink: I just remembered you mentioned the downmat. Didnt want to deflate your excitement... ok, go ahead, get excited :)

(edit: that should have maybe been tall And sleep on a downmat)
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Re: Hilleberg Tents .. where to buy?

Postby rucksack » Mon 28 Feb, 2011 2:35 pm

Nuts and tasadam .. I may have managed to identify (and perhaps even solve), the leaking that I have been experiencing in the vestibule of my Nallo 2 every time that it has rained. I went for a walk over the weekend to Daming Shan (Daming Mountain) and camped Friday & Saturday nights at around 1,000 metres, the latter beside a bamboo forest with zero breeze. On both nights, I unzipped the back and tied back the two flaps; left the front door open about 30 cm from the top and left the inner door open down to half way, (so the top half of the door was just the mesh). There was no condensation either night. Nil. None. Not on the inside of the outer, not anywhere - and certainly not in the vestibule. My mind turned to another ‘culprit’.

As I stood there, contemplating my first cup of morning coffee - and I was looking into the rising morning sun at the time - I suddenly noticed that there was sunlight coming through the front pole sleeve, where it abuts to the green fabric of the outer tent. (Mine is green, not red.) Strange, I thought, not exactly where one might expect to see light. On closer inspection, I discovered the problem. The sleeve has a visible row of double stitching on one side. On my outer, at the very top of the sleeve, the black fabric has pulled away from the bottom row of the two rows of stitching in three quite separate places, leaving one hole about 3 mm wide and 15 mm long at the very top and smaller ‘openings’ on either side. And, all three holes match the points where the inner tent directly clips to the outer. I am thinking now that the fabric has been over-tensioned in the sewing. When the pole is inserted and tensioned (according to Hilleberg instructions for erecting the tent) and the inner is clipped in, (adding it’s own tension of course), the fabric in the sleeve has been overstressed and simply pulled away from the stitching. In all three instances, the stitching is completely intact, but the fabric has pulled away allowing rain to get into the tent.

I think that the rain has principally been entering through the top most 'opening' though, (which is by far the largest hole of the three), and then running down the zip fabric underneath until its journey has been ‘interrupted’ by the two elastic loops, (where it then drips onto the Footprint). This would explain why the leaking has only happened when it has rained (though many times there has also been very condensation friendly conditions, so confusing the 'discovery') and why it has leaked equally on both sides of the front door, but not anywhere else.

When I got back to Shanghai last night, I inserted the front pole into the sleeve and seam sealed the three sections of stitching with SILNET. On the centre 'hole', I had to seam seal from both sides, to close up the gap. I am hoping that I have identified the problem, but I live on the 15th floor, so doing a ‘hose test’ is a bit tricky. I will have to wait for a rainy day to see if I have really solved the leaking. Fingers crossed. (When I first wrote to Hilleberg, their response was that it was most likely condensation, but that it could also be a fabric issue in terms of the sewing. I am now most definitely thinking that it is the latter, especially after measuring the amount of the water that leaked into the vestibule last month, when I was walking on the Wilmot Range. And without that morning sunlight piercing the the front sleeve on the weekend, I might still be searching for the answer to the leaking. Some days.)

The walk on Daming Shan was good. The area has only been accessible for the past 7 years, after local farmers cut a few trails up the mountain side. It’s steep (very in places), often quite exposed (best not to look down) and the thin soil over rock makes for some interesting manoeuvres, especially when the track is wet (which it was in places). However, if I have managed to solve the leaking, I will be a doubly happy camper on my next outing with the Nallo 2.

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby tasadam » Mon 28 Feb, 2011 5:57 pm

Great news that you have probably identified, and possibly solved, your issue.
Do you think the problem may in any way structually weaken your tent? If so, perhaps still worth taking up with Hilleberg, particularly that they have put in writing something to the effect of "may be a problem with stitching".
I have heard elsewhere that their customer service has been very good.
Would love to see some photos of the problem you have identified, to give it a better understanding.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby rucksack » Mon 28 Feb, 2011 6:12 pm

tasadam .. Yes, I will try to post some photos although the SILNET has covered up (filled in?) the evidence fairly well. And in answer to your question, it probably does mean that the outer on mine has a number of potential weak areas now, specifically where the outer joins the pole sleeve and the loops from the inner connect to the outer - sort of a double stress area. I'll keep an eye on it. I hear that Hilleberg's warranties are solid, but I will give the tent a run in some rain and decided what to do. If it has really stopped leaking, I might not worry, but if I am still getting quantities of water in the vestibule the next time I am out in interesting weather, I might fling the outer back to Hilleberg for a more informed look. They will know the processes that they used to stitch it all together; I would just be theorising.

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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Humpo » Wed 02 Mar, 2011 8:54 am

You have got me thinking now. I have the Nallo 3 GT, Great tent, heaps of room. But looking at getting a smaller tent as my wife wont be hiking for a while (baby on the way). I had made my mind up to sell the GT and go for the Nallo 2 as i will be solo. Can you tell me who have the Nallo 2 Is it big enough for solo, or would the extra room of the 3 be better. I have looked at the Atko, MSR Hubba HP and they just dont have enough room for my liking.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby tasadam » Wed 02 Mar, 2011 9:11 am

You should be more than comfortable in a Nallo2 for solo. It is fine for my wife and I.
I would think the Nallo3 for solo would be excessive.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Humpo » Wed 02 Mar, 2011 10:58 am

Thanks Tas thats what I thought.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby tasadam » Wed 02 Mar, 2011 11:06 am

But if you've got the Nallo3 GT, that would make a good family tent if you want to keep it for later use....
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Humpo » Wed 02 Mar, 2011 11:15 am

Your right but cant afford to keep both, hoping to sell the GT for almost the price i need for the 2
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby north-north-west » Wed 23 Mar, 2011 10:33 pm

I've done a lot of solo walks with the Nallo 2, and find it pretty good, one I got used to the differences between tunnels and domes. Never had a problem with condensation - unlike the Akto, which is the wettest tent I've ever used. In fact, I'm thinking of dumping the Akto and maybe getting a Scarp - it's too prone to condensation and too fiddly to pitch. I've put it up a dozen times now, and still can't get it to pitch neatly or symmetrically.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Betty The Sheep » Tue 10 Jan, 2012 10:59 am

I have just purchased a red Nallo 2 GT & a green Atko tent, I did a fair bit of research on where to purchase these tents from.

I found an Australian dealer:

John Weir
Mountain Adventure Centre
Kosciuszko Road
Jindabyne, NSW 2627
Email: shop@tmac.com.au
Phone: +61-2-64562922
http://www.mountainadventurecentre.com.au/shop/


I got the Atko for $495 and the Nallo 2 GT for $745, this price included the footprints for both tents.

While you can source your Hilleberg tent from the likes of moontrail.com, I highly recommend John – he gave me excellent service and I much prefer supporting an Australian retailer.

Now I just need to try out the tents !
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Humpo » Tue 10 Jan, 2012 9:14 pm

You wont be disappointed about the nallo 2 gt. I had the nallo 3 gt and it was great. I now have the nallo 2. Its nice to buy a brand new tent for once. I kind of wish that i had got the gt again as has so much more room for crap. Not that the nallo 2 is small by any means but i have been spoiled by the old 3 gt. I have only used it for one night so far. So we will see what happens next time.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby ULWalkingPhil » Wed 11 Jan, 2012 7:50 am

I purchased mine from Moontrail, with the points system I got a Exped Downmat 9 Dlx.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby johnw » Wed 11 Jan, 2012 1:27 pm

Betty The Sheep wrote:I have just purchased a red Nallo 2 GT & a green Atko tent, I did a fair bit of research on where to purchase these tents from.

I found an Australian dealer:

John Weir
Mountain Adventure Centre
Kosciuszko Road
Jindabyne, NSW 2627
Email: shop@tmac.com.au
Phone: +61-2-64562922
http://www.mountainadventurecentre.com.au/shop/


I got the Atko for $495 and the Nallo 2 GT for $745, this price included the footprints for both tents.

While you can source your Hilleberg tent from the likes of moontrail.com, I highly recommend John – he gave me excellent service and I much prefer supporting an Australian retailer.

Now I just need to try out the tents !

For anyone visiting or passing through Jindabyne it's probably worth having a look. He also has the locaI Paddy Pallin franchise. We returned on the weekend from 10 days down there. I called in to the shop briefly last Tuesday while waiting there to rendevous with family members for a day trip. He actually had a red Atko set up on display in the store, which took me by surprise as I'd never seen one except in photos. While I obviously don't own a Hilleberg I was very impressed with the quality. The design of that model looks like a slightly roomier version of my recently acquired Terra Nova Laser Comp.
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby Betty The Sheep » Thu 12 Jan, 2012 11:44 am

I put my Nallo 2 GT and Atko up for the first time yesterday, I was surprised how easy they were to put up and take down. I just have a question though and I’m wondering if anyone here can help me; which way does the footprint go – shiny side facing down or up?
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Re: Hilleberg Tents were to buy

Postby rucksack » Thu 12 Jan, 2012 12:59 pm

With the red Hilleberg label facing up, (at least that is how it is on my Nallo 2). I am sure Hilleberg want the label to be seen and not faced down into the dirt. :wink:

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