Gaiters

[Son of a Beach]

wanna do a cut n paste job? it looks like an interesting article

That's probably not kosher I suspect. But you could always ask him if he'd be willing to reply to this topic himself.

[ILUVSWTAS]

I have an old pair of Macpac canvas gaiters, velcro up the back. Tough as nails.
Roger

We used these in college many many years ago and they were very very strong. I'd LOVE to be able to get hold of a pair or 2!!

[Ent]

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[climberman]

Brett - sounds like an opportunity knocking. I do beleive that the cottage industry - consolidate - cottage industry circle happens. Small companies can be receptive and reactive; you could be one !

[Ent]

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[climberman]

For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.

Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.

wanna do a cut n paste job? it looks like an interesting article

Nik's right - I'd rather not, as copyright aside, it's easily available, rather than an old out of print article to scan. Roger, the author, could propbably put forward some great info - you could fire him a PM or email from this site and ask ? He's Roger Caffin; check the pages at : http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/ for info and his contat details. I've always found his information honest and to the point.

[Son of a Beach]

For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.

Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.

wanna do a cut n paste job? it looks like an interesting article

Nik's right - I'd rather not, as copyright aside, it's easily available, rather than an old out of print article to scan. Roger, the author, could propbably put forward some great info - you could fire him a PM or email from this site and ask ? He's Roger Caffin; check the pages at : http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/ for info and his contat details. I've always found his information honest and to the point.

I've sent him a PM. Here's hoping. My main interest is sourcing suitable fabrics. I have a great pair of gaiters currently, and my wife has all the know-how and equipment to make a pattern from them, and whip something up.

[blacksheep]

So Brett, you've seen our new gaitors then? Why is it beyond a joke or are you just being presumptuous? That would be "amazing to the point of total disbelief" too if that was the case here, and you are judging something you haven't seen. I wish I could read your posts and shrug them off, it would be much more calming...

We've been getting a lot of things right with our product, selling 35% above forecast does quite often mean short periods when you run out of stock...that happened on this range and some tents models and eVent over christmas..but that can happen if get a product right and the customers recommend your products to friends etc. We react fast- more eVent is about 4 weeks off, tents 4- 5 weeks and gaiters are back in stock. Sometimes a product off the shelf is due to making a great product, rather than not making the product at all.We range 11 skus of gaitors,including long aztec and cordura gaitors in multiple sizes for men and for women that are the items that Tasweigens should take a look at... the short putees are left in stock in Hobart are popular amoungst farmers, dry terrain walkers and xc skiers. I don't expect to sell them too you, but they are perfectly well suited to many other customers use so don't say we have no idea. We have plenty of experience thank you.

By they way, I checked stock in Hobart, there are 12 pairs in stock there according to our POS system, so not sure why they weren't noticed by the locals..

[wander]

The 1st thing I normally do on a new pair of gaiters is apply "seam grip" (not the seal from the roll top bottle but the stuff from a tube) to all the seams. This seems to hold the stiching togther long enough for the fabric to start failing.

[Ent]

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[blacksheep]

Brett,
in reply to them not being in store 3 mth ago see the previous post whre I said they were out of stock 3 mths ago. (see e-mails below FYI)

From: Campbell Junor
Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 3:30 PM
To: Macpac Hobart
Subject: current canvas cascade gaiters
Hi guys, do you have these in stock? Exonet says yes, but the word in some parts is "no"...what is the answer?

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Yes we do - full size range as of a few days ago.
Phil

Macpac Hobart
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in reply to penguin liking his old ones and expressing concern about the replacement model he saw see my reply explaining that was a previous, not current model. (by the way, do you know what is different from the older model to current? maybe better velcro, more adjustable closure system and a few different colours is the answer you are looking for?)
We run 11 skus, in different styles, different fabrics and different sizes...haven't seen mention of our product not fitting anyone in any of the weekly shop reports I recieve. And we sew ours in the same factory that also sews black diamong climbing harnesses and sewn slings (no need to worry too much about our tread or stitching quality.)

I never expect to see people raving about any products (especially the un-sexy gaiter) so don't wait for me to point you to such a place. I do however expect to see todays products in use 10+years from today, and hopefully I can show plenty of places for that, as I can the products Macpac has made over the last 10+ years

[ollster]

I never expect to see people raving about any products (especially the un-sexy gaiter) so don't wait for me to point you to such a place

I will rave. If Macpac manage to produce a gaiter that lasts longer than 6 walks before disintegrating, then I'll [verb*] their [noun*].

*use your imagination. Alternatively [kiss] and [feet]

[blacksheep]

I never expect to see people raving about any products (especially the un-sexy gaiter) so don't wait for me to point you to such a place

I will rave. If Macpac manage to produce a gaiter that lasts longer than 6 walks before disintegrating, then I'll [verb*] their [noun*].

*use your imagination. Alternatively [kiss] and [feet]

I will happily give you this promise, but I'll pass on having my (noun)(verb)ed.

[rcaffin]

For MYOG this: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... nd_gaiters may be of use.
Note: Payment is required to read the article (beyond the abstract and contents). Pity... I was really hoping to get a head start on finding fabrics for this.
wanna do a cut n paste job? it looks like an interesting article

Problem is, BackpackingLight is struggling in the current USA recession just like everyone else. The subs of US$25 per year is not huge. And they own the copyright to the article too. I have no vested commercial interest in BPL myself - I just write articles.

Anyhow ... all I did was to disassemble some OR gaiters which we liked and make a pattern out of the bits. I tweaked the pattern slightly as the bottom edge was designed for boots rather than KT-26s. Then I got some Cordura fabric (sources in the FAQ) and made them. The rest of the article was hand-holding for novice MYOGers.

While I have made many pairs for myself and my wife over the years, it is priobably true that no two pairs were identical. The design continues to evolve. My wife's version has the Velcro at the front; my version has the Velcro at the back, where it doesn't get abraded and pick up 'stuff'.

If you want replies, it is probably best to use the email addy in the FAQ to jog me as I only visit here intermittently. Sorry - only 24 hrs in a day - you know?

Cheers

[Taurë-rana]

I have an old pair of Macpac canvas gaiters, velcro up the back. Tough as nails.
Roger

We used these in college many many years ago and they were very very strong. I'd LOVE to be able to get hold of a pair or 2!!

I have some

[Ent]

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[ILUVSWTAS]

By they way, I checked stock in Hobart, there are 12 pairs in stock there according to our POS system, so not sure why they weren't noticed by the locals..

well the locals were in there yesterday and they only had the ankle length ones out on show.

[blacksheep]

By they way, I checked stock in Hobart, there are 12 pairs in stock there according to our POS system, so not sure why they weren't noticed by the locals..

well the locals were in there yesterday and they only had the ankle length ones out on show.

strange- you see the e-mail above from Phil...hmm

[ILUVSWTAS]

Yeh I did. by full range does he maybe just think the short ones are only ones available?? Maybe they went up after I was in there???
Oh well I'll have another look in there over the next few days and report back!!

[corvus]

Brett ,
The stitching on mine looks to be OK and double stitched ?? whatever that means however I am
not totally convinced that WE (Ian) has got it 100% correct this time IMHO
Goodish Canvas Gaiters never the less.
corvus

Sea to Summit gaiters and their cousins Wilderness Equipment are down right frustrating. They look great and appear to be made of the "right" stuff but simple no brainer things like stitching means they fail far before they should. The below photograph shows that with the WE only one level of stitching which also serves to join to layers of nylon is used in a structure component. Surely by extending the material to be longer it could be stitched by at least three rows of stitching. Why not? No body thought of it, designed failure point, or false belief that one row of stitching is good enough?

Come WE you can do better than that

Cheers Brett

I was wrong

Whilst replacing the s style threaded shock cord on mine I realized what you were saying Brett the cord loop is only held by the single stitching and yes I guess penny pinching on about 4cm of loop material does let them down as far as I am concerned .
corvus

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[ollster]

Well, the StoS quagmire POS gaiters have lost another part. First walk was Hobart Show Day long weekend (total of 22 days walking since), and so far I have had to glue the stiching on the front fastening on both legs, glue both the scuff pads back on, there is a cut immediately above the stiching join between the upper and lower part of the gaiter on one, and the buckle on the left under shoe loop has ripped off. Unacceptabe at $70. They are going back, I will be asking for my money back as they are not fit for purpose.

Macpac, I will be purchasing your product and I hope it will be better than the Sea to *&%$#! Quagmire. If that doesn't work out, next step will be customs.

[Ent]

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[corvus]

I noticed on my return from a recent 4 day walk that the cordura? on my WE Canvas gaiters is starting to abrade on the outside S loop ,
the inside single stitching looks to be ok at the moment however I suspect this will also fail .
My old WE Canvas gaiters gave me good service and I only replaced them because of fair and tear wear holes occurring in creases in the canvas this new pair I reckon will not last the distance jees they have only done about a dozen walks not all of them in really difficult situations.
All in all very disappointing from which was a quality manufacturer using local Australian workers, I would pay more to get lasting quality however who makes good gear here now.
corvus

[blacksheep]

Ollster, did you look at the cascades gaiters?

[ollster]

Ollster, did you look at the cascades gaiters?

Sorry, haven't been into the store yet, work has been a bit mad... I do intend to though. I will give Macpac a fair run. Hopefully they last more than 22 days unlike the last S2Ss (which have been sent back to the manufacturer).

[nakedape]

A pair of denim jeans will repel the fangs of most Aussie snakes (the majority of Aus, and all Tas sankes are elapids - nasty toxins, shortish fangs that ARE GENERALLY HOLLOW, i.e. hypodermic needles). The most common snake in Tas is the Tiger - mostly demur and shy, except bout Feb when they transform into grumpy little @#$%%. The long and short (sorry bout the pun ) of it is, watch your step, but a pair of gaitors will increase your protection from an accidental encounter with a snake. Most bites occur when snakes are trod on or where some idiot tries to pick it up or kill it!

[ollster]

(which have been sent back to the manufacturer).

For those who care, I've just been told by the place I purchased them from that StS have provided a refund for the cost of my wrecked Quagmire gaiters. Good on StS, but I'm going to take my $70 and try the Macpacs now...

[jimbo42]

My mate has been struck twice by snakes on the gaiters; one was a tiger snake in Tassie. Neither time was venom injected.
The gaiters do protect you from bites; I haven't been bitten yet, but always wear the gaiters even on trails

[ollster]

Sigh... the Macpac Cascade gaiters lasted <1hr on our Mt Robert scrubby pad walk today before blowing out the stitching around the area of fabric that covers the compression strap. This is getting mighty frustrating...

[corvus]

Sigh... the Macpac Cascade gaiters lasted <1hr on our Mt Robert scrubby pad walk today before blowing out the stitching around the area of fabric that covers the compression strap. This is getting mighty frustrating...

ollister I dont want to belive you but do (pics please) I have come to the conclusion that manufactures have no idea of Tassie conditions (are you reading this Cam) my new WE gaiters dont look like they will last many more walks before they die (crap single stitch in a critical area) no Idea what Ian M was thinking of when he came up with this one.
corvus