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RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 11:45 am
by Miyata610
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Not sure why bushwalk.com rotated my photo. Oh well.

The RAB Latok Ultra Bivi is a recent addition to the RAB lineup. It replaced the Summit Ultralite and whilst similar in many ways it has some significant improvements. Although called a bivi by RAB or a bivy by others, this is really a tent. I'll mix up these terms in my review purely to annoy the reader.

Like its predecessor, the Latok Ultra is made from 3 layer 15D eVent fabric, with totally waterproof 70D coated nylon bathtub floor, the sides of the bathtub are somewhat higher on the newer model. The floor area is the same at 120cm x 220cm, but the headroom has increased from a claimed 70cm to a much more friendly 80cm although I measured mine internally at 85cm. A pleasant surprise.

Other notable differences are a change to a bottom "hinged" door instead of at the side, the rear tunnel vent is higher up allowing for it to direct a breeze above the occupants head, fewer guy points and peg down points now four of each instead of six, and finally a colour change to bright yellow.

The added height being the biggest change, as well as making it a proper sit up inside tent it has reduced the steep angle of the walls creating more useful interior space.

Unlike the larger Latok Mountain, they don't offer the option of an add on vestibule. But a small triangle of sil-nylon, a trekking pole and tie points to the belay donut at the peak and the two front stake points should provide a weather protected entry and cooking space for only a tiny additional weight. I should be able to knock that one together.

This tent is actually a product of the Colorado company Integral Designs where it is marketed as the MK 1 Lite Bivy. Their website has more technical information about the tent than the RAB site and they even have a downloadable instruction manual. Something that RAB don't seem to think necessary.

The bivy itself weighs 1kg with the guy lines attached. The two DAC featherlite poles add 340g and the eight DAC pegs another 80g. This is significantly lighter than the claimed 1.6kg total. The minimum weight therefore being only 1330g. It could also be used as a double bivy without the poles and guys at less than 500g per person, if one was so inclined.

Although this is meant to be a two person tent, I have no intention of inviting anyone to share this tiny space with me (except my wife of course). But it does make a very comfortable space for one plus all the gear necessary for an extended snow trek. I set it up next to a well used Bibler I-tent and discovered that the RAB actually has a larger floor area. This particular I-tent has accommodated five large blokes when all the other tents in the group failed. A good testimony to the basic design of the I-tent that RAB have effectively copied and some would say improved upon.

I purchased this tent through the UK store Rock + Run. It arrived via courier just a few days after placing the order. The tent was on sale at £262.50, I bought a couple of other items from them so the postage, although expensive, was spread over several items.

So far I have used the tent for only three nights this winter. One night reached a chilly minus ten. But alas no snow exposure yet. It will be interesting to see how it performs in snow and in some more exposed locations as its maker intended. Stay tuned.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 5:43 pm
by iGBH
I'm pretty sure its called a bivy (or more specifically not a tent) because of the flame retardant (or lack thereof) of eVent fabric. I do not think that GE authorise the use of eVent in tents... however if it is a 'bivy' then it is ok.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 5:55 pm
by Miyata610
Yep that's basically correct. They used to have a height limit of 70cm to make sure it couldn't possibly be a tent (and cook in it) but that seems to have been forgotten.

The maker, Integral Designs, also offer the identical "tents" as tents but using their proprietary fabric. These tents can be sold in the various US states that require fireproofing.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 6:04 pm
by ninjapuppet
Great review MIyata.

I'm really keen on how you go with this tent as i'm considering one aswell. I've had a few of these basic 2 pole designs, but havnt been happy so far with what i've got:

bibler iTent:
as you said, its a great tent but its been around for over 20 years with virtually no changes. I'm sure new technological advances in fabric and poles may offer something new, so I searched for something else.

BD lighthouse
An absolute a POS and i promptly sold it withiin a month. Technological advances in fabric here didnt make the product any better for Aussie conditions.

Rab Summit bivi: I really loved this thing and tried to convince myself the height could be lived with. after a few nights in it being stuck in bad weather, realised there was no reason to put up with this type of suffering when there are other tents that could offer more space and be just as bombproof with no weight gain. You would have to be immune to suffering to live with a low roof like this. Had it been a tad taller, i would have kept it for sure.

Direkt 2
Then I saw ueli use this in the himalayas and thought thats gotta be good right? well, I havnt used this yet but honestly, i'm not all convinced. I think ueli was just lucky he had decent weather during its testing phase and I am not convinced of taking this to where help is unavailable. I don’t have the luxury of a full media team overlooking me with unlimited cash for rescues so I need something that will have the highest chance of working. Set up with all its anchors tight, its more flimsy than the iTent and i can easily shake the tent back and forth with alot of tent flexing. In comparison, my fat 3 year old kid can sit on top of my msr fury! Maybe this can work but its status at this stage is PENDING further testing.

I think your latok would be my ideal tent as its basically a taller version of summit bivi. rock and run currently have it for £315 but campsaver have it at the same price and free shipping over $400.
If its the same eVent as the previous version, I'm confident it will work horizontal rain and heavy snowload since Ive tested it myself.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 6:32 pm
by Miyata610
Ninja,

I am also curious about the direkt 2. Do you have one?

How did you find the summit without some kind of vestibule? This tent may become uncomfortable with prolonged rain. Even though I don't intend to use it as an all season tent I fully expect to have that sort of weather on occasion.

It certainly seems to be very very robust. I like the tunnel vent a lot. A great design feature.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 6:46 pm
by ninjapuppet
The direkt 2 was bought from basegear for $400 with their 20% off coupon. seems about right for this sort of tent.
I find it extremely hiliarious that some shops try to charge $900 for an iTent: http://www.pinnaclesports.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=5180
I even saw one shop charge $1100 for it!

I had a vetibule for the lighthouse but never used it. If you look on eBay US for these types of tents with a detachable vestibule, you will notice that often the vestibule is stated as "new" or "rarely used". Generally I use these as alpine tents (secondary tents) where you wait for good weather and make a summit push, so I dont expect to be in rain with these. But should rain happen to come unexpectedly, it should handle fine. You can open the door just by unzipping the bottom and crawl through so rain doesnt form a massive puddle on the floor.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 6:47 pm
by ninjapuppet
Theres not alot of reviews out there about this new tent.
I'm really keen on getting some more shots of this tent in action mate!

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul, 2012 7:05 pm
by Miyata610
ninjapuppet wrote:Theres not alot of reviews out there about this new tent.
I'm really keen on getting some more shots of this tent in action mate!


Me too. :-)

I have a few plans.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul, 2012 6:50 pm
by Nuts
Nice little tent there. They're offering 2 different fabric weights (like Nemo)? I think the ridge master is 20D eVent maybe.. (it weighs 1100g's so makes sense).
I like their 'cubby hole' tents, ur right that it would be best for winter (here) and especially snow 8) . Odd that its rated 3 season, I guess not much mountaineering happens in winter :)
I think it goes that one company, columbia perhaps.. bought RAB (that also owns integral designs)

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Sun 08 Jul, 2012 6:52 pm
by Nuts
ps.the base needs to be stretched out more :P

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 3:16 pm
by Miyata610
Nuts wrote:Nice little tent there. They're offering 2 different fabric weights (like Nemo)? I think the ridge master is 20D eVent maybe.. (it weighs 1100g's so makes sense).
I like their 'cubby hole' tents, ur right that it would be best for winter (here) and especially snow 8) . Odd that its rated 3 season, I guess not much mountaineering happens in winter :)
I think it goes that one company, columbia perhaps.. bought RAB (that also owns integral designs)


Do they say 3 season somewhere? All I could find was ....

"Perfect for: expedition / self assisted polar and high altitude / summit assault"

Sounds brutal.

You couldn't use it in summer... no insect mesh. Does that make it a 3 season tent?

For those that might be interested in the makers links....

http://rab.uk.com/products/equipment/bi ... ultra.html

http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_ ... N=81935845

Btw Nuts it was nice and taut when I put it up. It sagged a bit after a frosty night. Next time I'll do a better set up for the photos. :-)

The RAB RM is the ID Nestor and it's 40D....

http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_ ... N=81935845

I also have a RAB Ascent which is the ID Diamond, also 40D.....

http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_ ... N=81935845

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 4:12 pm
by Nuts
haha, I only check my sources if there is to be a gunfight :P might have been Campsaver... the 3 season thing...
The Nestor wasn't available when I bought mine... and Ridge Master is a Much tougher sounding name :)

Your Ultra looks good either way, I think i'd like one but have too many tents.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 4:33 pm
by Miyata610
We know someone that has 25 different tents. I wouldn't be surprised if you could better that.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 6:09 pm
by corvus
Go on "name and shame" if you dare :lol: :lol: :lol:
corvus

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 6:33 pm
by Miyata610
corvus wrote:Go on "name and shame" if you dare :lol: :lol: :lol:
corvus


No way!

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 6:50 pm
by Lady McGuyver
Does that include tipis? :shock:

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 6:51 pm
by Miyata610
Lady McGuyver wrote:Does that include tipis? :shock:


I believe so, yes.

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 7:01 pm
by corvus
Culprit revealed eh!! :lol:
corvus

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 7:03 pm
by Miyata610
But does it include bivis with poles?

Re: RAB Latok Ultra

PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul, 2012 8:09 pm
by Lady McGuyver
McGuyvers can make do!!! :wink: