Bushwalk Australia

Maybe this is already here somewhere, but my searches didn't come up with it.

After all these years, i thought i might look up how 'Trangia' is actually pronounced in Swedish. I've somewhat unsatisfyingly switched between
TRAN-ji-a and TRANG-i-a, depending largely on how the people i'm with at the time pronounce it. [edited to make the 3 syllables clearer]

Interestly, it's neither, but a third alternative that we use in English:

TRANG-gi-a, as in the ng in 'finger' - with the 'g' indicating both the specific (velar) nasal (as in sung), and the 'hard g'.

Now i just have to decide how anglicised I want to go with the rest of the word. For the first vowel sound, will I stick to the 'a' as in 'cat', or go to the 'uh' sound, as in the phrase 'a book'? The latter is much closer to the Swedish sound, and one of the pronunciations we have in English for that letter. But i don't think it will be worth the strange looks I'll get. Likewise with the rhythm of the word - think i'll let that go.

I'm pretty happy anglicising the 'r', rather than flapping it, linguistically speaking. Otherwise I would sound rather like a pork chop (which, if i remember rightly, sounds rather like the Korean word for 'difficult').

Is it obvious I should be doing some unpleasant jobs at home? Here's the link for anyone who cares!

http://heracleums.org/tools/pronunciati ... f/trangia/

I think most people in this part of the world say TRANG -ia (TRANG-EAR).
As for doing the unpleasant jobs at home ? the answer is yes, but then the same goes for me.

I don't know about TRANG-EAR, sounds like something you wake up with after a rock concert or diving in fetid waters... I've always pronounced it TRAN-gee-uh but you could always refer to it as a storm cooker if you're nervous about having your pronunciation mocked by fellow trang-ear users

I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

I avoided that problem by getting a Caldera Cone

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Interesting, as we have the same sounds in Aussie English (even spelt the same way sometimes),as in Swedish.

Not a criticism, just fascinating for a linguistic nerd. As a lingusitic colleague once quoted - English spelling has many undigested bits of its history. So many possible pronunciations of letters. Glad I learnt it as my mother tongue.

Franco wrote:I avoided that problem by getting a Caldera Cone

Well done!

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Tranny.

ollster wrote:

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Tranny.

Any Trangies out there?

ollster wrote:

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Tranny.

I must admit there have been a few jokes made about "who brought their tranny along for the hike"....

Just listened to the Swedish pronunciation, pretty well as we say it here anyway.
TRAN-GIA ... the G is hard, like in god.
Like in many languages, the R is rolled.

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

bwahahahaha

I'm also doing an unpleasant job at home, hence I'm here

stuey69 wrote:TRAN-GIA ... the G is hard, like in god.
Like in many languages, the R is rolled.

This is correct, unless you're from the southern part of Sweden where they don't roll the R.
Also, there's no "uuh" at the end. It's an open "a" like...something like "aha!"

(tranny )

Tortoise wrote:

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Interesting, as we have the same sounds in Aussie English (even spelt the same way sometimes),as in Swedish.

Not a criticism, just fascinating for a linguistic nerd. As a lingusitic colleague once quoted - English spelling has many undigested bits of its history. So many possible pronunciations of letters. Glad I learnt it as my mother tongue.

Did this go over your head?

STRAYA!!!

Strider, you have far too much time on your hands.

Trangia or "Trange" - from the ancient Swedish, meaning "very slow cooking device that takes up too much space in your Viking longship". Mine is in my collection of antique bushwalking stoves having been surpassed by Shellite stoves in the 80s, vapour gas stoves in the 90s, and now liquid injection gas stoves.

The correct pronunciation for Trangia is "tran jee yah".

At least, that's how their Aussie suppliers pronounced it last time I saw them.

Strider wrote:

Tortoise wrote:

dugsuth wrote:I aussify the name to "TRAN-YA" personally....

Interesting, as we have the same sounds in Aussie English (even spelt the same way sometimes),as in Swedish.

Not a criticism, just fascinating for a linguistic nerd. As a lingusitic colleague once quoted - English spelling has many undigested bits of its history. So many possible pronunciations of letters. Glad I learnt it as my mother tongue.

Did this go over your head?

STRAYA!!!

Yep, like i said elsewhere, sometimes it takes me a while

ryantmalone wrote:The correct pronunciation for Trangia is "tran jee yah".

At least, that's how their Aussie suppliers pronounced it last time I saw them.

Not correct according to the Swedes! I get that we anglicise things in lots of interesting ways when there is no corresponding sound in English, but in this case we have the same sounds that we could have used.

alanoutgear wrote:Trangia or "Trange" - from the ancient Swedish, meaning "very slow cooking device that takes up too much space in your Viking longship"

(I get this one, Strider...)

Tortoise wrote:

ryantmalone wrote:The correct pronunciation for Trangia is "tran jee yah".

At least, that's how their Aussie suppliers pronounced it last time I saw them.

Not correct according to the Swedes! I get that we anglicise things in lots of interesting ways when there is no corresponding sound in English, but in this case we have the same sounds that we could have used.

Now we are just talking about differences in pronunciation, or more, language differences.

stuey69 wrote:Just listened to the Swedish pronunciation, pretty well as we say it here anyway.

That's a surprise. I've lived in NSW, VIC & Tassie, and don't remember ever hearing it pronounced that way.

Like in many languages, the R is rolled.

Technically it's flapped (tapped) in this recording, not rolled or (trilled) - the articulator hits just once. Except when the speaker is being emphatic, apparently.

But thanks for sending me to check out other Swedish variants. I discovered I process i've never come across in language before! The 'r' can disappear altogether before t, d, n, l or s, and the latter becomes retroflex - a classic feature of an Indian accent. But I digress...