Bushwalk Australia

I am doing an online hunt for a quality daypack (35L). Products I saw that I liked are:

Lowe Alpine Centro ND 33+10
Deuter Futura 32
Haglofs Flow Large
Vaude Rock Ultralight Comfort 35

What do you think of them? Any good?

Any other suggestions and links?

Cheers.

the deuters with the trampoline vented back are great for hot weather, a study showed those designs help loose 25% more body heat than a normal backpack, something like that or you sweat 25% less.

Yeah, a lot of people out on the track with the Deuter Futura with vented back.

I have a Futura 32 and think its a great daypack. Comfort in the heat, plus I find it holds its load well, nice and stable.

+1 for the vented trampoline back. I have an Osprey Exos 46 and also a mammut creon light 32 (they are soooo similar its uncanny). I just use either depending on vol of gear. I also have a macpac amp race 25 that I use in scrubby stuff (and day in out...I take it to the gym etc). Very comfy, great pockets and design. Very big for a 25l pack.

I use two different Mammut packs. For most daywalks I use my Granit 30L (not sure if it is still available). It is a very simple design, but is light and very robust. My other pack is a Trion Element 45+7. It is more of an alpine style pack - I can go several nights in warmer weather with this pack too. It weighs 1.6kg, and it comes in sizes starting at 35L. It doesn't have the mesh harness, but I find it very comfortable in warm weather still.

Is this one of the Mammuts you have?

I'm still trying to figure out what I am going to do because my first choice is Lowe Alpine. They make top notch packs but would like to try in first in person before buying online...the problem is in Brisbane you can't find that particular pack in the local specialised shops.

No, this is the one I have - http://www.mammut.ch/productDetail/2510 ... ement.html

The Trea, and Crea range are similar to the Deuter Futura range though.

wayno wrote:i think some companies don't design their own packs, they buy the design and you see it in different brands,,, at least some macpac packs were designed by another company , from memory "design bomb" or a name like that, i had one of them, a "kea"

then theres the issue of plagerising design....

I beg your pardon?
I googled design bomb, it looks like an ex-macpac employee designer (Johnny Goulding) is using some images of projects he was involved in to promote himself as a free-lance designer. He owns none of the IP, nor did he ever, he has put some of his past work in an on-line CV.
Your statement is a little light on facts don't you think?

blacksheep wrote:

wayno wrote:i think some companies don't design their own packs, they buy the design and you see it in different brands,,, at least some macpac packs were designed by another company , from memory "design bomb" or a name like that, i had one of them, a "kea"

then theres the issue of plagerising design....

I beg your pardon?
I googled design bomb, it looks like an ex-macpac employee designer (Johnny Goulding) is using some images of projects he was involved in to promote himself as a free-lance designer. He owns none of the IP, nor did he ever, he has put some of his past work in an on-line CV.
Your statement is a little light on facts don't you think?

my information regarding design bomb was relayed to me by someone else. I should have stated that in my original post.
thanks for clearing that up cam.. I look forward to your lawyers getting in touch for defamation proceedings

wayno wrote: my information regarding design bomb was relayed to me by someone else.

well, I guess that makes it ok to say anything.

wayno wrote: I should have stated that in my original post.
thanks for clearing that up cam..

ever wondered if people didn't leave rubbish lying around then no-one would need to clean up?

wayno wrote:I look forward to your lawyers getting in touch for defamation proceedings

no, you won't.

see below

blacksheep wrote:

wayno wrote: my information regarding design bomb was relayed to me by someone else.

well, I guess that makes it ok to say anything.

wayno wrote: I should have stated that in my original post.
thanks for clearing that up cam..

ever wondered if people didn't leave rubbish lying around then no-one would need to clean up?

wayno wrote:I look forward to your lawyers getting in touch for defamation proceedings

no, you won't.

whats written on the site to a certain extent is peoples opinion and impressions of what they understand around the topic of bushwalking.
if i double checked everything i wrote for the original source, or only wrote according to multiple independant confirmation of the information or withheld information i cant confirm 100% i'd barely be able to post anything and i think for others they'd be in a similar situation, how would that affect the site as a whole? i think there would be a lot less worthwhile content and sure less inacurate content but on the whole the site would probably be worse off, the admins could start demand proof of everything posted , i've seen a gear review website that demands the most amazing protocol for writing up trip reports. i dont post on it because i dont have the time and dont want to spend x hours just posting a single article.
i like the way this site works and sometimes doesnt work..
apologies in advance for my inaccuracies, yes at times i write off the top of my head, hopefully a lot more good comes out of it than bad...
i dont think i focus any negativity on one subject and i try and balance out what i say as best as I am able according to what my impressions are.

How about any generic brands? Sure there must be something out there with the same quality without having to pay a premium good.

Is there a el Cheapo daypack out there? (I wish the "cordura" material was an option, but this is missing even in the high-end bracket)

Cheers.

have you tried hunting shops? or army surplus?

http://www.designbomb.ca/work.html

Struth, if that website was correct it would seem as though the one person almost designed the entire Macpac range. That's hilarious.

I see that they sell T-Shirts. I would have thought they could have managed to sell somthing a little more advanced than just a T-shirt given they have such extensive and intelligent design skills.

Gusto wrote:http://www.designbomb.ca/work.html

Struth, if that website was correct it would seem as though the one person almost designed the entire Macpac range. That's hilarious.

that is the problem. He certainly did not.

blacksheep wrote:

Gusto wrote:http://www.designbomb.ca/work.html

Struth, if that website was correct it would seem as though the one person almost designed the entire Macpac range. That's hilarious.

that is the problem. He certainly did not.

and thats the idea my mate got when he became aware of the site, hence my statements.... albeit unfounded ones...

gbagua wrote:How about any generic brands? Sure there must be something out there with the same quality without having to pay a premium good.

Is there a el Cheapo daypack out there? (I wish the "cordura" material was an option, but this is missing even in the high-end bracket)

Cheers.

Oh come on - where is the fun in that!

There are some ''genuine' reasons for sticking with better brands, including comfort, durability, even the quality of buckles can make a big difference on a long day (see the other current backpack thread). Having said that one could no doubt get by with a cheaper pack just fine.

I have one Deuter pack - and it is ok but I don't think they are great. Some aspects of the pack are cheap and nasty.

Osprey make some great packs that just melt into the back - but their materials are on the lighter side.

Hi

Fascinating reading on the design of packs and where they come from and who is responsible. We think of the London tube map as a classic but we do not know which gifted designer created it. Often buried in a company is a gifted designer who when leaves results in stagnation of design. I see a lot of cross pollination of ideas and for someone to claim intellectual property rights for a design is a bit shakey given the "assimilation" of ideas. No problem if they take a design and improve it but some tend to make it worst with their tinkering. To me it was interesting to spot an original AKING pack, the pre One Planet one, and see what ideas stayed around and what ideals got changed. Lowe Alpine share a similar hip belt design with OP but their love of sewn in buckles counts against ready user replacements if a buckle gets broken.

As for quality day hiking packs this always has an element of subjectivity. I love my One Planet Traverse at 38 litres for serious off track work. Mine is the older design. It is one of the few day packs that does not kill a taller person. The Mountain Design Slipstream in 35 litres with the vented back is great for bike riding but pity it has been dropped from their range. Probably my pet hate with more than a few brands is their inability to keep a good design and gradually improve it. One Planet tend to stick with a design and gradually improve it. MD is all over the shop. Good design followed by a complete new design which is worst. Personally I think their Slipstream was a great design as it allowed air movement and had a wide fitting range. Katmandu can one year have a good design and next season come up with a piece of junk.

My pick are One Planet Traverse and or the mesh back MD Slipstream for less heavy weather/scrub conditions but more aerobic ones. For the record I have Lowe and Deuter packs and found the quality good in both.

Cheers

Ent wrote:Probably my pet hate with more than a few brands is their inability to keep a good design and gradually improve it.

Yes, when you do see changes in product design, it's nice to know that companies are doing continual R&D and product improvement.
I am on my 3rd Macpac Cascade pack (having worn the others out) and there have been improvements in each upgrade for the same pack. But that's not a day pack so less relevant to this topic.

As a lawyer I can assure you that a representation made by someone in a forum of users, not self-professed experts, will be very difficult to class as libel. I think all that is necessary is for those with facts contradicting representations to state them in an objective manner. I can say that giving a potential customer hell over a simple misrepresentation online doesn't do any favours for your business' reputation. I am quite surprised there was such an overreaction. Everyone should treat third party representations about brands as opinions only, and take them with use consideration. I think we all understand this about forum use.

As for day packs, I don't like the way the tramp back packs move the load away from my back so I prefer the Aarn day packs. I am saving to buy the Marathon Magic 22.

I have two Aarn packs which could be classified as daypacks - the Liquid Agility and the Mountain Magic 44 (now discontinued and replaced by the Mountain Magic 50).

The Mountain Magic 50 has a base pack volume of 37 litres (plus an additional 12 litres in the balance pockets which gives 49 litres). Works fine without the balance pockets, so worth considering.

Wolfix wrote:As for day packs, I don't like the way the tramp back packs move the load away from my back so I prefer the Aarn day packs. I am saving to buy the Marathon Magic 22.

air backs are crap for weight, crap for packing and versatility and crap for carrying (simple physics)

icemancometh wrote:

Wolfix wrote:As for day packs, I don't like the way the tramp back packs move the load away from my back so I prefer the Aarn day packs. I am saving to buy the Marathon Magic 22.

air backs are crap for weight, crap for packing and versatility and crap for carrying (simple physics)

depends what your pirorities are in design, if you're walking in sweltering hot conditions and your priority is to keep as cool as possible, air packs are proven to help, if the load you're carrying isnt that massive its debateable whether the fact the weight is a bit further from the back is going to be that big an issue for everyone
these are day packs we are talking about and not expedition packs...

air packs are proven to help...

By whom? Your mate?
Where have all the Berghaus trampoline backs gone?
We used them for a while but guess what.

i posted earlier about a study posted on the internet that showed there was about a 25% improvement in ability to keep cool when wearing a trampoline pack, i dont have the link off the top of my head,
i'm not particulalrly for them myself but for those that really want the extra help with avoiding overheating it's an option, thats all i'm not saying they are the bees knees they have advantages and as you point out disadvantages, people can weigh them up as tehy like and take it from there, i dont think theres a black and white answer to say something is "crap" theres more to it than that,
some people will swear by one design and so be it good for them, others might castigate the same design, is one person really going to be 100% right in their opinion? who knows.

i think this was the link i was refering to, it talks about sweating 25% less with a ventilated back pack

http://sectionhiker.com/the-history-of- ... ck-frames/