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I think I may have left my opportunity to post it a bit late so I need try and fly with it.

Has anyone got any advice on flying with a small lpg hiking stove? I am flying Air NZ and cannot get them to give me an answer on flying with my stove. I have been told that I can and cannot fly with it in the same email.


Does anyone have any tips on what I should do? Or any advice on what department I should talk too?

Thanks


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Which brand and style??

It is my Optimus crux light or if I cannot pre sort it it will be the cheap one I got from Aldi. Both have Removeable canisters


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While there is no guarantee with airlines the TSA does say "camp stoves are allowed in carry-on or checked bags only if they are empty of all fuel and cleaned so that no fuel vapors or residue remain".

I have traveled domestically and internationally with both gas and liquid stoves with out an issue. They sometimes question the stove, however once I explained to the check in staff (or the duty manager) the situation all is good.

The link below is a handy document which explains the rules that can be packed with the stove.

https://thesummitregister.com/wp-conten ... Stoves.pdf

Saying that they might just say no even though your in you're right to check in your stove.

Thanks I will try that and take the cheap one. Next time I am going to buy a BRS and keep it in its oackageinf for the trip


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Gas stoves should not present any problems flying.
Obviously no canisters.
http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/d ... ing-stoves
The regulations are from an international charter so are not local.
John

Assuming then that you are going to New Zealand. I have flown to NZ several times with a gas stove in my luggage. It's not a problem. You cannot carry the canisters, but they are widely available in NZ.

RonK wrote:Assuming then that you are going to New Zealand. I have flown to NZ several times with a gas stove in my luggage. It's not a problem. You cannot carry the canisters, but they are widely available in NZ.

This is what I am looking for. Did you have to do anything extra?

I have organised gas with the group I am going with so from that point I am fine


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It's a gas stove. What more can you do? Just pack it away in your luggage and forget about it.

Flew to NZ with Air NZ in November. No problems with jetboil. Just no cannisters.

See my post here:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12425

Rurik
Read the IATA regulations from the link below.

Gas stoves should not present any problems flying.
Obviously no canisters.
http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/d ... ing-stoves
The regulations are from an international charter so are not local.
John

South_Aussie_Hiker wrote:See my post here:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12425

That thread is from 2013 and pretty dated.

casey79 wrote:

South_Aussie_Hiker wrote:See my post here:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=12425

That thread is from 2013 and pretty dated.

The basics still apply for the International Air Transport Association (IATA );
must be free of smell of fuel
must be bagged

the newer bit is the requirement for written permission.

https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr ... 23A-en.pdf

Civial Aviation Safety Authority (CASA - Australia)
https://dangerousgoodsapp.casa.gov.au/ - search on stove and you get

Camping stoves and fuel containers - empty, drained and cleaned

Conditions:

You must gain approval from your airline before flying.
Can't be carried-on
Can be checked-in
Approval required. Please contact your airline Approval required. Please contact your airline

Note: I have requested via their web page that CASA clarify this information for gas vs liquid stoves.

Personal experience before the written approval thing came in;
I tried using the then official cleaning procedure for a liquid fuel stove, drain and air it .. still had the smell of fuel in a Coleman 442 using Shellite after a week of venting (the suggested time frame was a day!). I found emptying it of fuel and then firing it up was best - I think there was fuel in the small tubes that would not vent off but did burn off through the normal operation. Venting from that state got no fumes very quickly.
I still have the liquid fuel stove but have also gone over to gas stove operation too. There should be no problem flying with the gas stove .. clearly state it is not a liquid fuel stove and that the regulations are for liquid fuel stoves.

RonK wrote:It's a gas stove. What more can you do? Just pack it away in your luggage and forget about it.

I don't know, I cannot think of anything but that is why I am asking the question.


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rurik wrote:

RonK wrote:It's a gas stove. What more can you do? Just pack it away in your luggage and forget about it.

I don't know, I cannot think of anything but that is why I am asking the question.

Well that is what I have done. You are trying too hard - overthinking it.

This is my camp kitchen. The Kovea Spider fits in the ti mug along with the Leatherman and the Jetboil Crunchit and that all fits in the Vargo Bot, with the cosy and carbon felt wind screen around it. I pack it in my checked baggage and forget it is there.

Get it? I forget that it is there.

And one more time Rurik
There are no problems flying with gas stoves without cylinders
John

You have gone from being helpful to being belittling


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rurik wrote:You have gone from being helpful to being belittling

It seams to me you are asking ... the same question, several times .. so ... in, I think, simple terms;

Answer: There are no requirements for a gaseous stove

Complication :Some officials don't know the difference between a liquid fueled and a gaseous fueled stove.. so you may have problems that way. There is little you can do about there ignorance other than carry some documents about the regs (see my link above to the IATA regs) and some sales document on the stove you take. Print them out and pack them with the stove.

No Fuel: You cannot take any fuel (solid, liquid nor gas).

No I was asking for experience. I asked the question once. Responded to a question about the type of stove. Asked someone to expand on their experience and said why I was doing so. I have not repeated my content at all.


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Dear Rurik
I have flown with gas and liquid fuel stoves for many years to many destinations around the world.
You will have no problems with a gas stove without fuel.
I would not make an enquiry at check in as you may expose yourself to rushed and ignorant check in staff.
Qantas has at times provided a preflight approval system,
Google Qantas dangerous goods or search from the link on my first post.
Happy trails
John

johnrs wrote:I would not make an enquiry at check in as you may expose yourself to rushed and ignorant check in staff.

Never ask questions at a gate/boarder. The time to ask questions is before you get there. Asking questions alerts them that you could be a problem.

Answer questions asked truthfully. Try not to add information that may lead to more questions. If asked if you have a camping stove - may answer would along the lines of 'yes, not liquid fueled'. That transgresses my guide on supplying more information, but I would try on this occasion to indicate that I know what they are on about and the regulation that applies, in the hope of removing more questions. Smile.

Rurik;

You can ask your airline for clarification.
You can ask CASA for clarification. See there web page.

The opinions here say you should be able to fly with it without doing anything. The only problem is if you strike an official who does not know the detail of liquid fueled vs gas fueled.

There's no problem taking a stove head in your check in to NZ.
I've done it with both Air NZ and Virgin many times.
It's the canister you can't take, but you can buy those everywhere in NZ anyway.