lightweight 1st aid kits??

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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 9:03 pm

In view of this discussion I thought I would list the contents of my kit,
Needle nose forceps and one splinter probe +mini zip loc =12g
heavy crepe bandage 10cm 1.75 unstretched 28g (snake bite ?)
5cm x 4m crepe bandage with clips 17g (sprained ankle ?)
Triangular bandage in zip loc 40g
Large wound dressing12x8.25 cm 6g
Gauze swab x 2 10x10cm 7g
Eye pad 6x8cm 3g
Band Aid blister pads x 2 6g
skin closures 5 x 3mmx75mm 2g
band aid x 3 3 g
large finger dressing 2 g
wound pad non stick 8x5 cm 2g
10 mm adhesive tape 10g
swabs x 3 3g
recuss mask 7g
saline solution 29g
note book and pencil 24g
Zip loc bags 25g to keep it all in

If I can still count less than 300 g and IMHO all I need to treat ME or another long enough for a short term fix or pre medivac :)
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby SteveJ » Sun 06 Dec, 2009 10:50 pm

No pills - pain relief etc?
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Son of a Beach » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 8:39 am

Well, I'll have to apologise to Corvus. I've just looked up the St Johns site, and according to them, my first aid kit is 480g (plus the extra bandage and pills I carry). So my fairst aid kit is somewhat heavier than Corvus' kit. I don't know where I got the impression he carried a huge heavy first aid kit. Sorry mate - my memory is playing up, I think. :-)

As I said earlier, though, I think my own first aid kit is a lot heavier than it needs to be. I really do like the kit - a comprehensive set of stuff in a pouch which unfolds and opens up so that everything is easily available while still well organised. But as small as it is I think there's a lot of unnecessary stuff in it and I could probably try to cut down a bit. I reckon I could probably halve it without too much stress, to maybe 200-250g.

However, I'm not sure if even that would be considered light weight?
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:57 am

You are right in that Panadeine Forte is a perscription drug, as is Maxolon.
But I would not be without either for my bushwalking first aid kit.
If you cannot stop being sick you are at serious risk of dehydration. If things are happening at the other end, at least you can get it in so you can avoid dehydration by inputting what you can. But if you cannot keep it down, that's a big problem. Hence the Maxolon, enough to allow for a few wasted (that might "bounce").

Re Panadeine Forte. If I had a broken arm or something similar and I had to strap it up and walk out, I would happily take P.forte as often as needed to make it out on my own steam if possible and sensible.

A good doctor that knows you will usually perscribe these items if he / she is aware that they are for a bushwalking first aid kit, knows you well enough to believe that, and feels like it. As I understand it, they are not obliged to, but sometimes will. Another example might be for people doing offshore touring on a yacht or something, a drug like P.forte would be a highly recommended asset to a first aid kit.

If you cannot get P.forte, Nurofen Plus is about the biggest non-perscription codeine dose you can buy, about 14mg compared to 30.

Only time we have needed P.forte on a walk was at the end of the Overland Track in mid winter 2007, 9 days and 102KM including the side trips we did.
Last day, walking down beside the lake, my wife's knee gave her massive problems, I got her pack down to 12kg by carrying over 20 myself, but her pain was such that I was giving her regular doses of it, spacing it out so as to have enough to finish the walk as best she could. Ordinarily without the pain, that much codeine might give one a buzz / high, but it was purely for pain relief.
My feet were pretty stuffed too, I would have been taking them myself too, to get through, but that we didn't have enough, and that I knew I had to drive when we got there. So I grinned and beared it. They say you forget pain. I remember that!

A warning to all, too much codeine can block you up. Not usually a big problem on a bushwalkers diet, but something to consider.
Of course, talk to your GP first, before following any advice about medication you read here.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 6:31 pm

SteveJ wrote:No pills - pain relief etc?

My pain relief pills are carried in my shorts pocket,(usually in my Specs case) for a weekend 6 extra strong pandol500mg+ 10mg codine and six ibuprofen ,I suffer from Arthritis and a Heel Spur .
My other pills ie vitamins and glcosamine are carried in my tucker bag and my "go fast pills" Glucodin with my snack food.
I do also carry my spare Head Torch battery in the first aid kit bag 14g with its cut down packaging.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Nuts » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 6:49 pm

No eye cup?
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 8:26 pm

Nuts wrote:No eye cup?

Dont need one got a gob
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 8:33 pm

Nuts wrote:No eye cup?

Hey smartypants you missed the eye pad which can be saturated with the saline solution and used to irrigate the eye, can you see the bird I sent you :lol:
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Nuts » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:06 pm

pencil sharpener?
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Macca81 » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:15 pm

Nuts wrote:pencil sharpener?

electric? dont forget the adaptor, some trees use different power points...
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:19 pm

Whats the matter with your pencil that you require a sharpener ?? aint you heard of mechanical pencils ?? where have you bin eh!!
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Mon 07 Dec, 2009 9:27 pm

I'm glad it's cricket season because I guess that makes it okay that some of these deliveries are going straight through to the keeper... :roll:
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Macca81 » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 8:21 am

tasadam wrote:I'm glad it's cricket season because I guess that makes it okay that some of these deliveries are going straight through to the keeper... :roll:

geez mate, that pun was a bit irish...
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Nuts » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 8:36 am

tasadam wrote:I'm glad it's cricket season because I guess that makes it okay that some of these deliveries are going straight through to the keeper... :roll:


Same here, they didnt start out as 'deliveries' but it is amusing seeing them coming :wink:
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Nuts » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 8:37 am

First Aid Manual?
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 8:47 am

Nuts wrote:First Aid Manual?

A lightweight book eh? Might be better to take the CD, or maybe load it into your iPhone.
How about first aid training! No manual needed, lightweight or otherwise.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 9:13 am

Yes, I think that as this is a lightweight topic, I think the light weight option would be to commit it to memory. :-)

(of course, for safety's sake, I wouldn't recommend against taking a manual, but just that it's not light weight).
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Nuts » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 9:23 am

Yer, ok, was just thinking about memory loss, that sort of thing :D
I would think that, if the knowledge isnt on hand, this would be the most important item...

I renewed my certificate last year. tbh, my experience was that aspects of the basic course were/could be easily related to outdoor situations. I believe that the remote course now covers more on improvising and extended care. I think though, that they will run the basic course privately for a group (of a certain size) and no doubt this would be tailored to suit..
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 08 Dec, 2009 11:25 am

Nuts wrote:Yer, ok, was just thinking about memory loss, that sort of thing :D
I would think that, if the knowledge isnt on hand, this would be the most important item...

I renewed my certificate last year. tbh, my experience was that aspects of the basic course were/could be easily related to outdoor situations. I believe that the remote course now covers more on improvising and extended care. I think though, that they will run the basic course privately for a group (of a certain size) and no doubt this would be tailored to suit..


Please note that several posts about first aid training following up from the one quoted here have been moved to the first aid training topic.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby corvus » Wed 09 Dec, 2009 7:02 pm

I have a comprehensive pamphlet First Aid in The Bush by the The Tasmanian Bush& Mountaincraft Board produced by Tas Dep of Sport and Rec it weighs 11g,I guess it would be out of print now but would photo copy on to two A4 sheets which with print would weigh around 10g.
I would be happy to share but dont have a Scanner perhaps some one in the Devonport could do this and I could PM the copy upon request.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Wed 09 Dec, 2009 9:24 pm

corvus wrote:I have a comprehensive pamphlet First Aid in The Bush by the The Tasmanian Bush& Mountaincraft Board produced by Tas Dep of Sport and Rec it weighs 11g,I guess it would be out of print now but would photo copy on to two A4 sheets which with print would weigh around 10g.
I would be happy to share but dont have a Scanner perhaps some one in the Devonport could do this and I could PM the copy upon request.
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A camera would do, and I can help with that.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby Son of a Beach » Thu 10 Dec, 2009 7:42 am

You can also get very comprehensive first aid manuals for smart phones. If you already carry your phone anyway, then this is zero grams extra. However, carrying a phone is not lightweight either.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby alliecat » Thu 10 Dec, 2009 9:56 am

My kit is not quite as minimal as Tony's but it's pretty lightweight.

1 x wound dressing
1 x roll bandage
1 x tube of Soov
4 x antiseptic wipes
12 x neurofen plus
12 x panadol
12 x anti-diarrhoea tablets
1 x tick remover
random collection of bandaids

Total weight is around 90g

Plus a light silnylon bag to hold it all - the bag weighs around 20g.

Now there are a few things that are in my gear repair and emergency kits that are not there specifically for first aid, but can certainly be used as part of a first-aid kit. And this is one of the key points of the lightweight approach to bushwalking - multi-use items. If an item can have more than one use, that is a great way to save weight. In the context of first-aid, here are some things that I carry whose primary purpose is not first-aid but they can certainly be put to use in that context.

Bandana or pack towel - great as a bandage or sling.
Needle from sewing kit - for splinter probing and removal
4mm cord - slings, splints
Superglue - a tiny bit toxic but it can be used to hold the edges of a wound together
Metho - watered down for cleaning wounds in an ever-so-slightly painful way
Salt - leech removal, can make a saline solution for washing out wounds or eyes.
Snowpegs (the long wide aluminium ones) - splinting an arm

Somewhere I saw a list of >20 things you can use bicarb soda for and at least some of those were first-aid related. I'll try to find the list and post it here.

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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Thu 10 Dec, 2009 11:44 am

alliecat wrote:Salt - leech removal, can make a saline solution for washing out wounds or eyes.
A better way of removing leeches is the steady firm scrape of a fingernail, things like salt or flame upset a leech and they can regurgitate into you, adding to the risk of infection.
But salt for leeches that aren't actually biting you is FUN... :twisted:
Saline solution for leeches that are in a position that you cannot access by fingernail is good, I have heard several people that have had a leech on or behind the eyeball. That makes me quiver.
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby alliecat » Thu 10 Dec, 2009 12:52 pm

tasadam wrote:A better way of removing leeches is the steady firm scrape of a fingernail, things like salt or flame upset a leech and they can regurgitate into you, adding to the risk of infection.


Interesting - I didn't know that. Makes sense though.

tasadam wrote:But salt for leeches that aren't actually biting you is FUN... :twisted:


That I did know :twisted:
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Re: lightweight 1st aid kits??

Postby tasadam » Thu 10 Dec, 2009 3:25 pm

Brett wrote:So googled it and found a newspaper article where a doctor mentioned the problem of leaving the jaws behind
Can you link this? It would make for an interesting read.
The idea of a fingernail scrape slowly is that "slowly but firmly" is the key, to forcefully break the seal they make when they suck on. When their seal is broken they let go, whereas salt or heat can make them "spew" into you.
I've used salt in the past too, but learnt the fingernail scrape method here.
Been using it since with no ill-effects.

Anyhow, this is way off track on lightweight first aid kits, perhaps further leech discussion can continue on the leech topic linked.
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