Fri 08 Nov, 2013 12:32 pm
GPSGuided wrote:Son of a Beach wrote:This is undeniably true. However, it is also grossly simplistic, and not of much value in isolation.
Some high calorie sources (in particular sucrose, which is half fructose) seriously messes with human metabolism in a number of dangerous ways...
The best medical treatment always adheres to the KISS principle. In this, why make it so complicated when simpler will do? Why are people taking "high calorie" sources when a simple balanced diet is the recommendation? Why bother with the various fancy explanation, excuses and diets when the removal of said calorie source should be removed? It's just illogical to go to all those fancy and often commercially expensive solutions when a far simpler solution is at hand? Think about it and get rid of all the media and commercial spins! There are no "fatties" during an African famine. If the will is there, getting the weight down is but natural.
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photohiker wrote:Burn some calories and reduce intake. It's not hard, people just need to be convinced it will work rather than be waylaid by all the excuses offered as crutches for their weight problem and they will give it a go.
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Son of a Beach wrote:That's exactly right. Simple is best. However, a simple diet in our culture is simply not simple to achieve...
Fri 08 Nov, 2013 12:57 pm
Son of a Beach wrote:So yes, you are correct, will power is all that's needed. But for some people the will power is destroyed by the sugar they consume - not psychologically, but biologically.
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Fri 08 Nov, 2013 3:13 pm
GPSGuided wrote:Son of a Beach wrote:That's exactly right. Simple is best. However, a simple diet in our culture is simply not simple to achieve...
True and false. If accepted as true, then bugger if there's any chance of succeeding in ever more complex diet and "treatment" regimes. The only people who'll benefit will be the diet industry. How much money do they make for the simple fact that people can't stay simple?
If people feel they have to make things more complex in order for people to adhere to it (illogical already), then no one should complain about the millions to billions being wasted on the diet rollercoaster. Again, it's evidentiary support on the will factor. Better to just treat the psychology than find ever more fancy dietary plans.
Fri 08 Nov, 2013 3:20 pm
wayno wrote:i dont live in a lower socio economic area, most of the people shopping at my supermarket are stocking up on a lot of processed foods, and not a lot of baking ingredients...
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Fri 08 Nov, 2013 4:56 pm
Son of a Beach wrote:I think we're getting our "simples" confused. A good diet is a simple diet. No doubt about it.
Fri 08 Nov, 2013 6:02 pm
GPSGuided wrote:Son of a Beach wrote:I think we're getting our "simples" confused. A good diet is a simple diet. No doubt about it.
Maybe. But agree with the statement here.
When I say simple, I just mean simple dietary advice on readily available basic food sources. Lots of fresh vegetable and fruits, appropriate balance of meat and carbohydrates of whatever source. Diversify. Even primary school kids have been taught and shown photos of those. If the society can follow just that, the general health of the society would have lifted by a giant step. No need for super fancy diet designs. If people have the intellect to understand the science of hydrogenation, fatty acid, caloric calculations white vs brown fat and all that, then the above primary school level teaching should be a push over.
At the end of the day, it'll be up to the will of the individual to execute. Socio-psychological issues can be addressed separately.
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 11:19 am
Son of a Beach wrote:Understanding what a simple diet is, is not simple, due to the chaos of information around and the hidden extras (especially sugar) in most foods in the supermarket.
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Once you beat your addiction to sugar, it's dead simple to stick to the lifestyle change (not a "diet" in the fad sense). But it takes a couple of months to adjust, and very few people manage to stick it out for that long, or to actually remove sugar entirely, due to it being added to virtually every packaged food they eat.
Because sugar (actually fructose) is in effect a drug, it's not a simple matter of changing diet. First you have to beat the drug addiction. Tell somebody addicted to cigarettes that it's just a matter of will power. It's just the same. Sure it's a matter of will power, but the drug is causing your biology to not just want the drug, but to need the drug.
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 11:31 am
Onestepmore wrote:It's demeaning to say ' losing weight is just a matter of will power'
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 11:58 am
Onestepmore wrote:Son of a Beach wrote:It's demeaning to say ' losing weight is just a matter of will power'
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 12:05 pm
Onestepmore wrote:And when calories are restricted, then your metabolism readjusts and your body thinks "oh oh, we're in a famine, lean times 'a comin' ". It uses what energy it has coming in much more efficiently. Then the metabolic reset stays when the body has more calories and go back to eating 'normally' which is what happens because people cannot sustain themself or keep on a very resricted calorie diet for very long (no matter how good their willpower is)
This leads to the whole weight yo yo thing
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 1:46 pm
Onestepmore wrote:No - the information we've been given by the national nutrition advisors is incorrect, and based on faulty scientific method and interpretation, and manipulation of evidence.
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geoskid wrote:Onestepmore wrote:No - the information we've been given by the national nutrition advisors is incorrect, and based on faulty scientific method and interpretation, and manipulation of evidence.
This is a big call, and I don't agree at all.
2 mins of searching came up with this from the Aus. Govt. National Health & Medical Research Council,
Australian Dietary Guidelines (2013):
http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/guidelines/publications/n55.
Nothing complicated or hard to understand, and pretty much what I learned at school (many years ago).
Sure, someone that hasn't been eating like this may need to re-acquaint themselves with the rest of the supermarket, spend a bit of time preparing a new shopping list and stock their pantry differently, and perhaps put a bit of effort into learning how to cook simple/quick tasty meals using healthy cooking methods, but first they have to want to, and then make it happen
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 2:43 pm
Son of a Beach wrote:The trouble is that much recent research is indicating that some of our societies accepted 'official' nutritional guidelines are wrong. In fact much of them are based on the 'Time' cover photographed Ansell Keys work on the 'Seven Countries' study. Turns out it was really a FIFTY countries study, but it didn't show anything conclusive, so he picked out seven countries that he could make look like they fitted a pattern, and published results based on that. It's one of the biggest scientific con jobs of all time, and that's what much of our current nutritional guidelines is still based on.
Sat 09 Nov, 2013 2:45 pm
GPSGuided wrote:Onestepmore wrote:It's demeaning to say ' losing weight is just a matter of will power'
Not at all, because it's the fact. Inability to accept has much to blame on the commercial diet industry and media, who tries to portray weight reduction is so complicated and difficult, that it's only possible to cough up the money and use their services.
Sugar is as addictive as heroin? Gosh, we are addicted to food. Fact is, heroin addicts can go cold turkey and so can sugar addicts. Yes, it's tough, but that's where will power comes in. No need to constantly depend on other people or finding biochemical excuses. Just need to do it. Eat less, exercise more, it'll fix 99% of those who are overweight. Comparing sugar to heroin is but another one of those sensationalistic portrayal for the mass media. Next, I'll say that human's addiction to water is just the same. So, how to resist the temptation of all the TV food ads, all the pastry shops, all that ice creams. Yes, will will see it through! The rest are easy.
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