Sanitarium "One Square Meal"

[wayno]

i think sanitarium just licence produce it in aus. its made by cookietime in nz

[Moondog55]

Nope, the Sanitarium branded was made in OZ, licensed maybe but made and packaged over here, was/is the NZ product as bad as the Sanitarium one?

[wayno]

one square meal is a nz product, sanitarium make if in aus, its probaby as bad

[metastable]

http://www.ausfoodnews.com.au/2012/01/3 ... k-bar.html

[Moondog55]

Born 2012
Died 2013
Not missed by either family or freinds

[icefest]

Wayno, what is your opinion on vaccinations?

[wayno]

mixed....
when vaccinations started coming in, it was around the time improved transportation was bringing more fresh food to the masses in the cities. , and vaccinations took all the credit for reducing disease.
if you deprive lab rats of sleep after you give them vaccinations , the vaccinations are prone to failure.
theres all sorts of chemical preservatives in them ...
i wouldnt say no to getting them with the nastier diseases..., i dont bother with the flu jabs

[GPSGuided]

i wouldnt say no to getting them with the nastier diseases..., i dont bother with the flu jabs

Not unreasonable if you are not elderly or in a health compromised group.

[wayno]

Paleo: That's not really what Cavemen ate
Paleo eating has become the diet de jure in many health circles. I can't get away from it. It's a meat heavy eating plan, essentially allowing you to chow down on as much bacon as you want.

But it's based on a skewed understanding of what our caveman ancestors actually ate.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/new ... d=11161348

[Picaro]

Sorry, but that may be your interpretation based on some skewed practices.
Paleo is a framework, and should actually be plant heavy. As a matter of fact a proper application of the ancestral framework will include more vegetables than the average vegetarians, who tend to rely more on grains etc.

[wayno]

its a quote from the link written by a dietician...

[Picaro]

Fair enough, I probably should have followed the link first up. hehe

The writer appears to have a fair idea of what paleo should be, but then berates the movement because of the more radical elements.

One thing I'd point out is that most pale promoters have distanced themselves from cross fit these days. Although cross fitters will use a paleo (how doI kill this blasted auto-correct !) framework, cross fit itself has morphed. It began with a philosophy of getting the most return for the least input, but now is more of an ultra endurance race to physical destruction. Just my opinion of course.

Paleo is a paradigm shift from convention, which is still evolving. But I am convinced its heading in the right direction.

[wayno]

some people use paleo as an excuse to live on bacon.... and avoid their veges despite what their parents told them...

[Picaro]

Yes, well they are naughty little troglodytes who should be made to stand in the corner until they eat their kale and cauliflower. Except caves don't have corners….hmm.

[LandSailor]

Apparently the Australian cricket team were conditioned on low-carb, high-fat diet and their results on the field so far seem pretty good to say the least. This comment might come back to haunt me

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6649459842


From the page:-

MC: What's the secret, how did you lose eight kilos?

DW: It's no secret. Our doc has put us on this low carb, high fat diet which is quite interesting. No breads, no rice, no pasta. A few of the guys have been on it, Shane Watson, Mitchell Johnson, Usman Khawaja. A lot of grilled chicken and fresh vegies, that's basically what I was eating day in, day out, with salads.

[wayno]

yeah and cricketers spend long periods of time standing still and only exercise in short bursts.. its not a diet i'd apply to endurance activities like bushwalking... when you need lots of energy fast, you cant absorb any source of energy faster than sugar and carbs

[LandSailor]

yeah and cricketers spend long periods of time standing still and only exercise in short bursts.. its not a diet i'd apply to endurance activities like bushwalking... when you need lots of energy fast, you cant absorb any source of energy faster than sugar and carbs

Yeah thats definitely the case for a ketogenic diet at least for the first month on it. Apparently it takes a while for the body to adapt to burning fat as the primary energy source.
Have seen a few examples of what must be reasonably low carb diets supporting intense exercise though...for example persistence hunters in Africa probably didnt eat too much refined carbs. Here's another example (warning : long video 1:17mins, data overload). Its a medical doctor who experiments on himself talking in detail on this topic.

Im sure the Australian cricket team would load up on carbs before matches to get their glycogen energy levels up.

And its still interesting though that elite sports nutritionists are recommending and achieving results with a diet that is a complete contradiction to the standard nutritional advice.
They would have to be well up on the latest nutritional science.

[wayno]

if you're on a hard multi day bushwalk, you'll struggle to get all your energy from fat... if you try to you'll probably start to feel low in energy once your body stores of glucose are used up. because you will struggle digest and burn fat fast enough to cope with the energy demands of a hard days bushwalk. runners refer to it as "hitting the wall" when their body stores of sugar run out... they cant produce enough energy to keep running. because they cant generate the energy required from fat... and hitting the wall can happen to the best runners, its not just a case of conditioning yourself to get more energy from fat,, there are limitations to how much you can adapt to burning fat.

[wayno]

if you're on a hard multi day bushwalk, you'll struggle to get all your energy from fat... if you try to you'll probably start to feel low in energy once your body stores of glucose are used up. because you will struggle digest and burn fat fast enough to cope with the energy demands of a hard days bushwalk. runners refer to it as "hitting the wall" when their body stores of sugar run out... they cant produce enough energy to keep running. because they cant generate the energy required from fat... and hitting the wall can happen to the best runners, its not just a case of conditioning yourself to get more energy from fat,, there are limitations to how much you can adapt to burning fat.

[Onestepmore]

Well, for me anyway, following a low carb diet has meant more energy overall, no ups and downs, no food cravings, no mid afternoon munchy attacks nor the need for coffee and biccies to get me through to dinner. I am never hungry. No desire for dessert. No desire for takeaway even when others around me are chowing down on Maccas or KFC or pizza. I do get a bit sick of explaining why i have cream in my coffee instead of milk! Yeah it requires a bit of pre planning, you need to often supply your own breakfast and lunch stuff. You have to explain that when you decline the Subway platter and the chocolate cake at staff birthday celebrations its not a personal rejection. Dinner out is usually fine, just eat the meat and the veges, ask for any sauces or dressings to be separate and just leave them if they have sugar in them ( as they often do, sigh).. I've had no problems with energy levels doing one and two day bushwalks, but suspect that would change with sustained walking or strenuous hiking over longer distances. I'll plan on taking dehydrated pasta and rice etc on longer walks. I've stopped taking muesli bars and dried fruit (berries are ok) and instead eat almonds and macadamia nuts, salami, cheese and beef jerky as snacks. An apple is about all ill take that's sweet.

[Picaro]

if you're on a hard multi day bushwalk, you'll struggle to get all your energy from fat... if you try to you'll probably start to feel low in energy once your body stores of glucose are used up. because you will struggle digest and burn fat fast enough to cope with the energy demands of a hard days bushwalk. runners refer to it as "hitting the wall" when their body stores of sugar run out... they cant produce enough energy to keep running. because they cant generate the energy required from fat... and hitting the wall can happen to the best runners, its not just a case of conditioning yourself to get more energy from fat,, there are limitations to how much you can adapt to burning fat.

Check out a triathlete by the name of Ben Greenfield.

Low carb is not down to a ketogenic level. The 2 work in a different balance. Most people either use ketogenic in short cycles with low carb, or they are using keto as a therapeutic measure….as is the case with folk treating epilepsy in this way. Keto diets can also be used to bolster some cancer therapies where the cancer is one of the glucose dependent types.

If you are running on fat , as well as carb, as in the low carb type regime, you aren't just running on your last meal but also body stores. And optimal fat utilisation is in the 110- 130 bpm range for most folk. If people are hitting the wall when simply bushwalking, perhaps they should review some of their practices.

[wayno]

if you're on a steep climb which can easily go on for several hours in nz with an overnight pack you'll need more carbs to prevent you hitting the wall

[Picaro]

Low carb……is not no carb.

[wayno]

yup and i wouldnt go low carb on a hike

[LandSailor]

Well, for me anyway, following a low carb diet has meant more energy overall, no ups and downs, no food cravings, no mid afternoon munchy attacks nor the need for coffee and biccies to get me through to dinner. I am never hungry. No desire for dessert. No desire for takeaway even when others around me are chowing down on Maccas or KFC or pizza.

My experience on the keto diet is much the same. Its early days for me but Ive so far Ive lost about 7 kilos in 4 weeks. Of course, the majority of that is the initial glycogen water-weight but I would have to say that losing that same amount of water weight on a standard low-fat diet would take longer and be much more miserable. Im assuming you have to burn off your glycogen stores no matter what the diet is before you get to reducing the body fat.

The keto diet is more stringent (20g carbs a day) than what other people might consider a low-carb diet. Im mainly eating this kind of food. Although the keto diet is high fat it's still calorie restricted. So your eating the same amount of reduced calories as you might on any diet, just made up of mostly fat rather than carbs. It just seems common-sense to me that this predisposes your body to burn your existing body fat.

And the food on this diet is ridiculous. Not saying I have this every day but this morning I had a 3 egg omelette with fetta cheese and bacon.
Here are some other people's favourite keto-friendly foods.

[LandSailor]

Just for those who might be interested, the book "Grain Brain" is quite cheap on Amazon kindle ($3.29) at the moment.
This interview gives some idea of the contents.

Edit: You need to be logged into Amazon with a US address registered as default on your Kindle (use a US hotel or something) to get the discount.

[Picaro]

Is that the one written by a Neuro-Physicist, or Neuro- something or other ?

[LandSailor]

Yep he's a neurologist and and Fellow of the American College of Nutrition.

[photohiker]

Looks like we are going on a un-controled experiment thanks to the ABC's anti cholesterol medication crusade:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/h ... st/5148802

A Heart Foundation survey of more than 1,000 Australians taking statins has found that almost one in 10 people have stopped taking their prescribed medication because of the program.

From those results it estimates that up to 55,000 patients may have stopped taking statins.

The charity fears that could cause up to 3,000 additional heart attacks and strokes over the next five years.

Dr Rob Grenfell from the Heart Foundation says the results of the survey are deeply concerning as one in four of those who altered their medication had previously had a heart attack or a stroke.

"We found that just under a third were certainly confused and unfortunately a number of those, about one in four, actually changed the way they took their medication," he told AM.

"Of that group that actually changed their medication, unfortunately one in 10 actually stopped their medication.

"Only about 50 per cent of those in fact were in what we call the primary prevention area and others were in fact people who'd had heart attacks or heart events who were at high risk of having another."

Adelaide Hills resident Iris Gladigau, 57, who is considered a high-risk patient, was prescribed statins after having a stent put into a blood vessel in 2002 after a severe blockage.

After trying three different drugs and experiencing side effects on all of them, Ms Gladigau says the Catalyst episodes were the tipping point.

"I just made the decision after I saw the Catalyst program that it was no longer worth it for me," she said.

I'm generally a supporter of the ABC but I think they have strayed well off the rails on this one. It is good to see that they are reporting on the community response to their program though.

[wayno]

or it could be the best thing to happen to the people on statins... the show not over till the fat lady sings