LWC's "Do You Know Tasmania" Wilderness show in Hobart

[clarence]

Given the commentary to date and the lack of response from tas-man, the following statement would appear to be the most accurate: “ tas-man / LWC posted information that Mountain Designs was selling tickets for the DYKT show prior to checking through the correct channels and used Mountain Designs’ logo and association for its advantage without formal approval”. (I contacted tas-man this afternoon and asked him if he wished to clarify any further since my last post, giving him a fair chance of reply.)

This being the case, tas-man and/or LWC (noting tas-man had until last year been an office bearer of the club for sixteen years and has been a life member of the club for five years):

-used the logo and association with Mountain Designs to promote the DYKT show (a substantial source of funds for the club) without their approval;

-then related an incorrect version of events to cover for the fact that it was indeed tas-man/LWC who had stuffed up;

-allowed Mountain Designs (MD) to be misrepresented, criticised and threatened with boycott by not clarifying the position, when there was ample opportunity to do so

MD now has a different policy to what its franchisees previously had, in not promoting the activities of an independent and non-related organisation. It is not incumbent on MD (or any other outdoor store) to promote or sponsor such activities, whether it is perceived to be beneficial or not.

MD did nothing ethically or legally wrong. The actions of tas-man (misrepresentation of the truth, knowingly letting others be maligned because of this, and use of others intellectual/commercial property without permission) is unprofessional and unethical at best.

Tas-man / LWC are in no position to plead ignorance in such matters, as this in not the first time (or even the second time) this type of behaviour has occurred. Several members of the club executive were informed of this on more than one occasion after the use of unauthorised/copyrighted material for the DYKT show and club promotional material in 2011. When this was brought to the club's attention in 2011, the owner/subject of the material was treated in a strikingly similar fashion to the treatment of MD in this case. Tawdry and demeaning treatment of innocent parties is no way to cover for one’s own mistakes.

Some may feel this is unfair on the Launceston walking club. However, it is worth considering that the LWC has one of the fattest balance sheets of any such club in Australia. The lion’s share of the proceeds from the DYKT show (which amounts to many tens of thousands of dollars over the years) are poured into the club’s 23 seat bus.

While, at its core, the DYKT show may ostensibly be for the conservation and appreciation of wild places, the actions which go on “behind the scenes” have not always proven to be nearly so noble.

If tas-man is able to set the record straight on any of the above, I am more than happy to retract any incorrect statements I may have made.

Clarence

[doogs]

So Tas-man mentioned tickets arent available from MDs in Hobart this year and we end up with this? Sure he made a mistake using the logo without permission but this rant which amounts to a personal attack is very harsh in my opinion. If you have a personal problem with LWC take it up with them rather than airing it on here.

[north-north-west]

Given the commentary to date and the lack of response from tas-man, the following statement would appear to be the most accurate: “ tas-man / LWC posted information that Mountain Designs was selling tickets for the DYKT show prior to checking through the correct channels and used Mountain Designs’ logo and association for its advantage without formal approval”. (I contacted tas-man this afternoon and asked him if he wished to clarify any further since my last post, giving him a fair chance of reply.)

This being the case, tas-man and/or LWC (noting tas-man had until last year been an office bearer of the club for sixteen years and has been a life member of the club for five years):

-used the logo and association with Mountain Designs to promote the DYKT show (a substantial source of funds for the club) without their approval;

-then related an incorrect version of events to cover for the fact that it was indeed tas-man/LWC who had stuffed up;

-allowed Mountain Designs (MD) to be misrepresented, criticised and threatened with boycott by not clarifying the position, when there was ample opportunity to do so

MD now has a different policy to what its franchisees previously had, in not promoting the activities of an independent and non-related organisation. It is not incumbent on MD (or any other outdoor store) to promote or sponsor such activities, whether it is perceived to be beneficial or not.

MD did nothing ethically or legally wrong. The actions of tas-man (misrepresentation of the truth, knowingly letting others be maligned because of this, and use of others intellectual/commercial property without permission) is unprofessional and unethical at best.

Tas-man / LWC are in no position to plead ignorance in such matters, as this in not the first time (or even the second time) this type of behaviour has occurred. Several members of the club executive were informed of this on more than one occasion after the use of unauthorised/copyrighted material for the DYKT show and club promotional material in 2011. When this was brought to the club's attention in 2011, the owner/subject of the material was treated in a strikingly similar fashion to the treatment of MD in this case. Tawdry and demeaning treatment of innocent parties is no way to cover for one’s own mistakes.

Some may feel this is unfair on the Launceston walking club. However, it is worth considering that the LWC has one of the fattest balance sheets of any such club in Australia. The lion’s share of the proceeds from the DYKT show (which amounts to many tens of thousands of dollars over the years) are poured into the club’s 23 seat bus.

While, at its core, the DYKT show may ostensibly be for the conservation and appreciation of wild places, the actions which go on “behind the scenes” have not always proven to be nearly so noble.

If tas-man is able to set the record straight on any of the above, I am more than happy to retract any incorrect statements I may have made.

Clarence

Getting your knickers in somewhat of a knot just because I said I'd be boycotting a chain over their refusal of permission for ticket sales? Calm down, sonny boy - it's none of your business what my private decisions are and, frankly, I'm starting to get pretty cheesed off at your attitude. In fact, it's reached the point where my pure pig-headedness will probably keep me out of any MD store for the remainder of my life. Not because of the ticket issue, but over your reaction.
Yeah, I know that's not entirely logical but, what the hell, I'm a raving loony and I can do what I want for whatever reason I chose.

[flyfisher]

There does seem to be a member who has taken exception to this issue, and to the LWC and the show's organiser.

One would expect more support on this forum for the show for many reasons, and for the organiser.

Definitely a shame that MD have made this decision. Hopefully someone else will offer help with the ticket sales.

Clarence perhaps.

FF

[clarence]

Hopefully someone else will offer help with the ticket sales.

Clarence perhaps.

FF

I think I'll give it a miss thanks.

Clarence

[tas-man]

A reminder that it's on this weekend, so please introduce yourself if you come to the show!

[tas-man]

ABC Radio has given the show a plug with this news item based on the interview with Chris Wisbey on last Saturday's morning radio show.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/t ... rs/5800870

[north-north-west]

Yeah, but where do we get tickets?

[flyfisher]

Tickets at the door. Very good show again too.

FF

[tas-man]

Tickets at the door. Very good show again too.

FF

Good to catch up again with Mr & Mrs flyfisher. Glad you enjoyed the show!

[Senji_Man]

Given the commentary to date and the lack of response from tas-man, the following statement would appear to be the most accurate: “ tas-man / LWC posted information that Mountain Designs was selling tickets for the DYKT show prior to checking through the correct channels and used Mountain Designs’ logo and association for its advantage without formal approval”. (I contacted tas-man this afternoon and asked him if he wished to clarify any further since my last post, giving him a fair chance of reply.)

This being the case, tas-man and/or LWC (noting tas-man had until last year been an office bearer of the club for sixteen years and has been a life member of the club for five years):

-used the logo and association with Mountain Designs to promote the DYKT show (a substantial source of funds for the club) without their approval;

-then related an incorrect version of events to cover for the fact that it was indeed tas-man/LWC who had stuffed up;

-allowed Mountain Designs (MD) to be misrepresented, criticised and threatened with boycott by not clarifying the position, when there was ample opportunity to do so

MD now has a different policy to what its franchisees previously had, in not promoting the activities of an independent and non-related organisation. It is not incumbent on MD (or any other outdoor store) to promote or sponsor such activities, whether it is perceived to be beneficial or not.

MD did nothing ethically or legally wrong. The actions of tas-man (misrepresentation of the truth, knowingly letting others be maligned because of this, and use of others intellectual/commercial property without permission) is unprofessional and unethical at best.

Tas-man / LWC are in no position to plead ignorance in such matters, as this in not the first time (or even the second time) this type of behaviour has occurred. Several members of the club executive were informed of this on more than one occasion after the use of unauthorised/copyrighted material for the DYKT show and club promotional material in 2011. When this was brought to the club's attention in 2011, the owner/subject of the material was treated in a strikingly similar fashion to the treatment of MD in this case. Tawdry and demeaning treatment of innocent parties is no way to cover for one’s own mistakes.

Some may feel this is unfair on the Launceston walking club. However, it is worth considering that the LWC has one of the fattest balance sheets of any such club in Australia. The lion’s share of the proceeds from the DYKT show (which amounts to many tens of thousands of dollars over the years) are poured into the club’s 23 seat bus.

While, at its core, the DYKT show may ostensibly be for the conservation and appreciation of wild places, the actions which go on “behind the scenes” have not always proven to be nearly so noble.

If tas-man is able to set the record straight on any of the above, I am more than happy to retract any incorrect statements I may have made.

Clarence

Clarence mate I think you could do with a chill pill and maybe a chance to get all your facts straight next time you want to go on a personal vendetta against a fellow lover of the outdoors.

Having been personally involved with the Hobart show this year and with the advertising of the show beforehand, I know for a fact that the MD advertising was done in good faith based on many years of previous experience with MD. The unfortunate outcome of a miss-communication between the Hobart store, LWC and MD head office does not justify a boycott of either MD or the LWC, nor does it justify your scathing rebuke of tas-man and his efforts to promote our beautiful state.

Next time you feel like voicing your opinion about another person's character stop and have a think whether you really know the whole story and whether it is really worthwhile spreading your negativity.

[clarence]

I contacted tas-man to ask if he wished to correct anything I had written, so asking me to get my "facts straight" and find out the "whole story" is nonsensical. Tas-man had every opportunity to correct these matters of fact, and has not done so.

Some people may not like the facts I have presented. Up until I entered the discussion people were talking about boycotting Mountain Designs, who had done nothing wrong (and in actual fact had been misrepresented, after supporting the dykt show for over a decade). This is not about "negativity" or "vendetta", but instead about presenting the facts of the matter. Promoting the outdoors and behaving in an acceptable manner are not always mutually inclusive.

Clarence

[Taurë-rana]

Good grief, mountains from molehills! Seems to me that neither LWC nor Mountain Designs Hobart did anything particularly wrong. tas-man briefly and factually corrected the information once he had the correct info, and the logos should have been taken off the poster if MD was no longer sponsoring. MD Hobart can hardly go against their head office.
I actually read NNW's first comment as tongue in cheek, but escalating it has made sure it's no longer that!

Back on topic, when's the show coming NW?

[Senji_Man]

I believe there is a show planned up that way early 2015 (maybe April, last I heard).