Peakbagging Discussion (Australia Wide)

[north-north-west]

t's hard to think of any Victorian mountains that couldn't be done as a day trip. Snowy Bluff might be one. Gable End?

Both can be done as easy daywalks if you have a 4WD and the gates are open. You can actually drive to within a hundred metres or so of the Gable End trig.

Cobberas 2 would be a very long daywalk. Closest carpark would be the Playground or the Cowombat Track - both seasonally closed. The Viking and the Razor aren't exactly daywalk material either. Some of the stuff in the Avon Wilderness, perhaps? Definitely Mt Hump, I would think.

[Bodysurfer]

Gosh, I had no idea you could drive to near Gable end. I assumed there was a a gate at McFarlane saddle (unless I'm totally confused - it has been many years since I've been there).

I would agree the Viking would be a tough day walk, But the last time I was at Viking Saddle I met a couple of fit young blokes that that been from the Howitt carpark, across the cross-cut saw and round to the saddle in one day. I don't think they would had much trouble doing the Viking as a day trip from the gate below Speculation.

On Mt Hump, we agree. I looked at it, and thought "I'm never doing that one".

[north-north-west]

Gosh, I had no idea you could drive to near Gable end. I assumed there was a a gate at McFarlane saddle (unless I'm totally confused - it has been many years since I've been there).

Yer, that road is closed, but the 4WD track that goes over Mt Wellington splits some distance past Miller's, with one end going to the Sentinels and the other up to Gable End. If you're spending a night at the new Riggalls campsite, or at Miller's, it's a good daywalk, and gives you an idea of just what would be involved in getting to Hump, as that's where the old track went from.

-I would agree the Viking would be a tough day walk, But the last time I was at Viking Saddle I met a couple of fit young blokes that that been from the Howitt carpark, across the cross-cut saw and round to the saddle in one day. I don't think they would had much trouble doing the Viking as a day trip from the gate below Speculation.

*&%$#! showoffs!

On Mt Hump, we agree. I looked at it, and thought "I'm never doing that one".

I'll do it one summer as a 3 dayer, but I'm driving up to Gable End.

[mjdalessa]

Made This Today, enjoy!

Abel Bagger’s Guide
This is compiled from info from HWC Peakbagger’s Guide 2000 and Bill Wilkinson’s Abels Volumes one and two. The List was also used to help suggest points for peaks excluded from the Guide. They appear in the order they appear in the books, and this list is meant to be used as a more achievable and significant peak baggers list. Best used with the HWC List (Grid References) and/ or The Abels Books by Bill Wilkinson which Contain detailed track notes. A question mark means it is not mentioned on any lists and it seems logical to me. If I get ten comments saying it is sound I will keep it, but otherwise, feel free to suggest a better number.
No. Peak Height Area Points Check?
1 St. Valentines Peak 1106m North West 1
2 Mt. Tor 1105m North West 2
3 Black Bluff Range 1340m North West 2
4 Recondite Knob 1170m North West 2?
5 Brewery Knob 1203m North West 1?
6 Mt. Kate 1156m North West 1
7 Mt. Campbell 1248m North West 1
8 Cradle Mountain 1545m North West 4
9 Mt. Emmett 1410m North West 1
10 Barn Bluff 1559m North West 4
11 Mt. Inglis 1281m North West 3
12 Mt. Roland 1233m North West 2
13 Mt. Arthur 1188m North East 2
14 Mt. Barrow 1420m North East 1
15 Mt. Maurice 1121m North East 1
16 Ben Nevis 1368m North East 2
17 Mt. Saddleback 1256m North East 2
18 Mt. Victoria 1213m North East 2
19 Mt. Albert 1120m North East 1
20 Legges Tor 1575m North East 1
21 Mensa Moor 1365m North East 1
22 Ragged Jack 1369m North East 2
23 Stacks Bluff 1527m North East 2
24 East Tower 1122m North East 1?
25 West Tower 1110m North East 1
26 Mt. Wellington 1271m South East 1
27 Collin’s Bonnet 1260m South East 2
28 Trestle Mountain 1160m South East 2
29 Mt. Marian 1130m South East 1
30 Mt. Field East 1274m South East 2
31 Rodway Range 1377m South East 1
32 Mt. Field West 1434m South East 3
33 Florentine Peak 1376m South East 2
34 Mt. Lord 1198m South East 2
35 Abbotts Lookout 1106m South East 1
36 Marriotts Lookout 1100m South East 1
37 Miller’s Bluff 1213m Central Plateau 2
38 Parson and Clerk Mountain 1210m Central Plateau 1
39 Mt. Penny West 1140m Central Plateau 1?
40 Mt. Patrick 1119m Central Plateau 2?
41 Sandbanks Tier 1401m Central Plateau 1
42 Rats Castle 1393m Central Plateau 1
43 Wild Dog Tier 1394m Central Plateau 1
44 Drys Bluff 1330m Central Plateau 1
45 Quamby Bluff 1228m Central Plateau 2
46 Mother Cummings Peak 1260m Central Plateau 1
47 Ironstone Mountain 1443m Central Plateau 2
48 Western Bluff 1420m Central Plateau 2
49 Turrana Bluff 1450m Central Plateau 1
50 Mersey Crag 1430m Central Plateau 1
51 Clumner Bluff 1458m Central Plateau 2
52 King David’s Peak 1499m Central Plateau 2
53 Mt. Jerusalem 1459m Central Plateau 2
54 Nescient Peak 1125m Central Plateau 1?
55 Mt. Rogoona 1350m Central Plateau 2
56 Twin Spires 1406m Central Plateau 2
57 Mountains of Jupiter 1320m Central Plateau 2
58 Mt. Proteus 1152m Pelion and St. Clair 1
59 Mt. Pelion West 1560m Pelion and St. Clair 5
60 Mt. Thetis 1482m Pelion and St. Clair 3
61 Perrin’s Bluff 1420m Pelion and St. Clair 3
62 Mt. Achilles 1363m Pelion and St. Clair 3
63 Mt. Ossa 1614m Pelion and St. Clair 4
64 Mt. Pelion East 1461m Pelion and St. Clair 2
65 Mt. Oakleigh 1286m Pelion and St. Clair 3
66 Mt. Pillinger 1280m Pelion and St. Clair 2
67 The Acropolis 1480m Pelion and St. Clair 4
68 Du Cane Range 1520m Pelion and St. Clair 1
69 Mt. Hyperion 1480m Pelion and St. Clair 3
70 Mt. Massif 1514m Pelion and St. Clair 4
71 Castle Crag 1482m Pelion and St. Clair 4
72 Walled Mountain 1431m Pelion and St. Clair 2
73 Mac’s Mountain 1413m Pelion and St. Clair 3
74 Mt. Nereus 1184m Pelion and St. Clair 4
75 Mt. Gould 1480m Pelion and St. Clair 4
76 The Guardians 1394m Pelion and St. Clair 3
77 Horizontal Hill 1254m Pelion and St. Clair 2
78 Mt. Rufus 1416m Pelion and St. Clair 2
79 Mt. Hugel 1403m Pelion and St. Clair 2
80 Mt. Othrys 1279m Pelion and St. Clair 1
81 Mt. Olympus 1472m Pelion and St. Clair 3
82 Mt. Byron 1375m Pelion and St. Clair 2
83 Mt. Cuvier 1378m Pelion and St. Clair 3
84 Mt. Manfred 1382m Pelion and St. Clair 3
85 Gould’s Sugarloaf 1425m Pelion and St. Clair 2
86 Mt. Ida 1239m Pelion and St. Clair 3
87 Mt. Hobhouse 1222m Mid West 1
88 Wentworth Hills 1244m Mid West 2?
89 Mt. King William I 1324m Mid West 2
90 Slatter’s Peak 1300m Mid West 1
91 Mt. King William II 1363m Mid West 3
92 Loddon Bluff 1220m Mid West 3
93 The Hippogrif 1109m Mid West 2?
94 The Chimera 1111m Mid West 1?
95 Cheyne Range 1290m Mid West 2
96 Mt. Gell 1447m Mid West 4
97 Agamemnon 1238m Mid West 2?
98 Philp’s Peak 1282m Mid West 4
99 Sharland’s Peak 1140m Mid West 2
100 Frenchman’s Cap 1446m Mid West 7
101 Clytemnestra 1271m Mid West 4
102 Pyramid Mountain 1259m Mid West 2
103 Rocky Hill 1194m Mid West 1
104 Camp Hill 1172m Mid West 1
105 High Dome 1366m Mid West 5
106 Tramontane 1140m Mid West 2
107 Castle Mountain 1208m Mid West 2
108 Eldon Bluff 1361m Mid West 5
109 Eldon Crag 1321m Mid West 4?
110 Dome Hill 1177m Mid West 2
111 Eldon Peak 1439m Mid West 5
112 Mt. Murchison 1275m West Coast 3
113 Mt. Read 1124m West Coast 1
114 Mt. Dundas 1143m West Coast 2
115 Mt. Tyndall 1179m West Coast 2
116 Mt. Geikie 1193m West Coast 2
117 Mt. Sedgewick 1146m West Coast 2
118 Mt. Owen 1149m West Coast 1
119 Mt. Jukes 1168m West Coast 3
120 Mt. Sorell 1144m West Coast 3
121 Clear Hill 1198m The Gordon 2
122 The Thumbs 1204m The Gordon 3
123 Mt. Wright 1112m The Gordon 3
124 Stepped Hills 1111m The Gordon 3
125 Reed’s Peak 1290m The Gordon 3
126 Bond’s Craig 1260m The Gordon 3
127 Pokana Peak 1127m The Gordon 4?
128 Conical Mountain 1124m The Gordon 2
129 The Spires 1122m The Gordon 6
130 Wyld’s Craig 1339m The Gordon 3
131 Mt. Shakespeare 1221m The Gordon 2
132 Mt. Mueller 1245m South West 2
133 Mt. Wedge 1147m South West 2
134 Mt. Anne 1423m South West 6
135 Mt. Lot 1262m South West 3
136 Mt. Sarah Jane 1290m South West 3
137 Mt. Hayes 1110m South West 3
138 Mt. Sirius 1151m South West 3
139 Mt. Orion 1151m South West 3
140 Mt. Aldebaran 1107m South West 3
141 Mt. Scorpio 1106m South West 2
142 West Portal 1181m South West 4
143 The Needles 1108m South West 2
144 Federation Peak 1224m South West 10
145 Snowy South 1398m The South 2
146 Nevada Peak 1390m The South 2
147 Snowy North 1262m The South 1
148 Mt. Weld 1345m The South 4
149 Mt. Picton 1327m The South 3
150 Mt. Bobs 1111m The South 5
151 Hartz Peak 1254m The South 2
152 Adamson’s Peak 1225m The South 3
153 Mt. La Perouse 1158m The South 4
154 Pindar’s Peak 1230m The South 5
155 Mt. Wylly 1110m The South 3
156 Mt. Victoria Cross 1120m The South 4
157 Precipitous Bluff 1145m The South 9

Tell me what you think of the point allocations w/ question marks next to them. I could upload a word doc so I had to do it like this, sorry guys.

[doogs]

Why do you need to allocate points to Abels not on the Peakbagging list? Sorry just doesn't make much sense to me.

[ollster]

Why do you need to allocate points to Abels not on the Peakbagging list? Sorry just doesn't make much sense to me.

Better question is why they hell weren't they on the PBL in the first place?!

[stepbystep]

Why do you need to allocate points to Abels not on the Peakbagging list? Sorry just doesn't make much sense to me.

Better question is why they hell weren't they on the PBL in the first place?!

Think it's because you might have to displace some of the classics like Hobbs. Quoin and Snow Hill - that would just be unfair, points would be far too hard to come by for the lazy peakbagger.....

Question is mjdalessa, why spend a nice day like this making lists when you could be bagging peaks/abels?

[mjdalessa]

I wish I could have but the day was too closed up unfortunately, no opportunity. It only took like a half hour anyway. What do you think of the points I allocated?

and why would you have to displace certain mountains to allocate others points? Am I missing something?

I made this list because it is a list that is more achievable and has more meaning. Not that I don't like the other one, but I thought it would be nice to have a abels list w/ points; more achievable like I said before and still has the fun of the points.

[pazzar]

I don't understand why you feel the need to allocate points to the Abels. Surely just climbing them is enough satisfaction. I think it is much better without the points attached - I find the PBL at times competitive, and sometimes the attraction of points can take away from the attraction of mountain. Just because it has been allocated only one point doesn't mean it is not worth climbing any more than a 4 point peak.

[mjdalessa]

I see where you coming from, but I think the points just add to the fun. Some of my favourites are 1 pointers (Parthenon, little horn). The points are quite unjust at times but i still like. Thats just me though, and I can see why you don't like it. The points give something more to aim towards.

[doogs]

The Abels and Peak Bagging lists are two seperate lists. The Abels is based on the Munros in Scotland and doesn't have a points system attached. The peak bagging list is the one with the points. The connoiseurs peak bagging list was designed to be a more acheivable list.

[mjdalessa]

Point taken, I liked the idea at least. I at least think the remaining abels should be added to the HWC list, with permission of course.

[pazzar]

I can see your view, but I dont think the list should change. The two lists are separate, and if some peaks are on one but not the other, it leaves room for a greater sense of accomplishment. If you have all the Abels on the PBL then really what is the point of having the Abels list?

The connoiseurs peak bagging list was designed to be a more acheivable list.

If you want a more achievable list with points this is the go - it has most of the Abels on it anyway.

And I guess if you were to finish the list, and then 30 years later more peaks are added to it, have you still really finished it? You would feel a bit ripped if that happened (The list was revised a few years back, peaks taken off mostly).

There are plenty of other lists if you are looking for motivation after the PBL (Bob Browns, High Places, Waterfalls etc). Personally, the PBL will keep me busy enough for many years to come, and climbing the Abels will come with that I guess. I am happy with the way they are now.

[ILUVSWTAS]

I agree with Pazzar.
However to answer your question....
East Tower, Penny West and Patrick dont deserve a point, they are bumps you wouldnt even recognise. Wentworth hills is good as a 1 pointer. 2 is too much.

[MJD]

But they are big enough bumps to be an Abel. Must be worth a point. And ,why should Abels be worth a point? Its obviously designed to suck all those peak baggers into going somewhere else and keeping them off the good peaks! Now how far am I through all those lists: Peak Bagging Lists 1, 2 & 3; Abels; Bob Browns; Connoisseurs; not to mention my list for those who have finished the others.

[stu]

I'm afraid I agree with others, not much point allocating points to Abels as it's not necessary.
The point of Abels is to just climb them & it even says in the book / guide that the tippy top is not neccessarily the objective, unlike the PB list where the tippy top is the objective & required to claim (fair) points.

The idea of the Connoisseurs list was just to have a list of the great Tasmanian mountains, the carry over of the points rating from the PB list was just that, a carry over that doesn't mean a great deal to this particular list...completing the list is the objective & not accumulating points which is part of the fun of the main PB's list. This list is due for revision at some stage with a few possible inclusions to come & possibly a subtraction or two.

Refer to Martins High Places list if you want to increase your goals beyond the regular list - it's daunting to say the least.

Happy to say I should finish the Connoisseurs list & maybe even all the Abels in time; the full PB list or Martins list - probably unlikely!

[Bodysurfer]

Where is Diamond Peak?

[ILUVSWTAS]

Where is Diamond Peak?

In the heart of the hardest range in Tasmania The Prince of Wales Range.

[Bodysurfer]

I know where it is. But it's not on the list.

[stu]

Diamond Peak is not an Abel so it's not on the Abels list.
It is a hign point earner on the Peak Baggers list tho & is on the Connoisseurs list as well.

[ILUVSWTAS]

I know where it is. But it's not on the list.

Yes As Stu said an Abel must be 1100metres higher to qualify. Diamond peak at 1066 falls just short. You understand now?

[mjdalessa]

Is this third peakbagging list you speak of after the HWC 2000 list? If so can you post a link?

[stepbystep]

Is this third peakbagging list you speak of after the HWC 2000 list? If so can you post a link?

List 3 is the 2000 list. I'd like to see that one revised at some point

[doogs]

Is this third peakbagging list you speak of after the HWC 2000 list? If so can you post a link?

List 3 is the 2000 list. I'd like to see that one revised at some point

The connoisseurs too. Its an outrage and scandal that none of the east coast peaks are on the list (cameron, story, daedalus, mayson, dove, amos, freycinet, graham, bishop and clerk or maria).

[ILUVSWTAS]

Yes I agree Doogs. I did suggest that the Hazards (as one peak) or Story be added.

[mjdalessa]

Just out of interest, why does Geryon not qualify as an abel? (Its not in volume 1 or 2 at least)

[vagrom]

Do we have any "8,000-ers" on this forum?
If not, how far has anyone been up, so to speak, on the world stage?
It looks like the different continents have different "spreads", like the Himalayas are the only "8's", 14 of them and then you can go down by thousands, from continent to continent, I forget the order but of course it includes perhaps just the Rockies, Patagonia and the Alps; something like 6,5 then 4,000-ers, spread within the vicinity of that region's highest.
Australia-wise, Tyrone Thomas released Australian Mountains:The Best 100 Walks in 1998 and that does a state by state round-up.

Aconcagua 7
McKinley 6
Blanc 5

Kozzie 2.2
Everest 8.8

[JamesMc]

I'm currently in Scotland and noticed that the weather forecasts have % likelihood of clear weather on Munros. Do you think we could convince the BoM to provide weather forecasts for Abels?

JamesMc

[MJD]

Regarding North & South Geryon not being Abels it is because they don't have a 150m drop off on all sides from the Ducane Range highpoint.