north-north-west wrote:Technically, I can no longer walk in to Cape Pillar and camp at Hurricane Heath, because I can't afford to pay $500 to do a walk that's virtually in my backyard. Is that fair?
Nungulba wrote:P.S I am informed by National Parks & Wildlife (by email) that there are some SIX camping spots in the area. So, dear N/N/W, there is nothing to prevent you walking to Cape Pillar, even if Hurricane Heath is off-limits to camping (H.H. never appealed to me much as a camping spot anyway - just a maze of Bauera scrub!)
Nungulba wrote:My friend, North-North-West, says:
"...how much access is appropriate and for whom is lack of access permitted?
Wheelchair-bound people can't do the Three Capes. They can't even do the Dove Lake circuit. Is that fair?
Technically, I can no longer walk in to Cape Pillar and camp at Hurricane Heath, because I can't afford to pay $500 to do a walk that's virtually in my backyard. Is that fair? "
To answer your first question, I think that access for disabled people (e.g.) needs to be negotiated on a case by case basis. On another level, those who have back problems and/or joint problems should be encouraged to participate as far as possible (if that is their wish); and, with regard to this it is significant that the great improvements to tracks on both the first and second capes will benefit BOTH bushwalker/camper groups (including people with mobility problems) AND the well-heeled tourists. A win/win situation.
I take issue with the statement that "wheelchair-bound people can't do the Three Capes" - in one sense this is obviously true since the third cape (Raoul) is not yet part of the improved access program (and may never be if funding is not available). But, even as things stand, there is no reason why a wheelchair "walker" can't complete the upgraded section of the walk, if they have some assistance. After all, Kurt Fearnly "walked" the Kokoda trail, which is vastly more difficult than the "Two Capes" track.
Rather than stereotyping disabled people we ought to be trying to be more inclusive. As for whether a particular situation is "fair" or not, it might be better to ask whether lack of access is discriminatory or not??? Certainly, it seems very strange just to accept the status quo and not want to consider changing it.
As for your last question, it naturally follows from my previous answer that "discriminatory" practices should be removed if possible (or, at least, minimised). I'm not sure that $500 fees are "discriminatory" as able-bodied people do have other options available - see below. But EXCESSIVE fees is obviously a major concern. Which, I think, is where I came in to this discussion!!!
P.S I am informed by National Parks & Wildlife (by email) that there are some SIX camping spots in the area. So, dear N/N/W, there is nothing to prevent you walking to Cape Pillar, even if Hurricane Heath is off-limits to camping (H.H. never appealed to me much as a camping spot anyway - just a maze of Bauera scrub!)
Hallu wrote:I just can't believe people are happy to pay for it.
RonK wrote:Hallu wrote:I just can't believe people are happy to pay for it.
Why not? Plenty are happy to pay a lot more money for the private Overland Track walk. Three Capes is cheap.
Walk_fat boy_walk wrote:...might as well enjoy it now (if you can afford it).
Nungulba wrote:Yes, well it remains to be seen whether "local" Tasmanian patronage will be enough, since Mainlanders (whom I suspect are the main target of this development) will be heading to the Gold Coast for their winter break!!!
P.S. No disrespect to Tasmanians (I was one myself for thirty years, before the arthritis took its inevitable toll) but they just don't have as deep pockets as the tourists. On the bright side, they are also more perceptive: they know a "rip-off" when they see it!
north-north-west wrote:Thanks bohwaz.
DanShell wrote:Yep bohaz's post pretty much sums up what we saw down there.
My advice to anyone doing it is to only stay at the camp site one night. Walking in and out of there once is enough!
If I did it again I'd walk in early, hide my pack at the camp ground junction, do cape pillar and then go down to the camp ground.
Walk out via mount fortescue the next day.
north-north-west wrote:I'd find a spot to camp away from the new track and a lot further in. I hate low damp forest camps.
Lophophaps wrote:north-north-west wrote:Thanks bohwaz.
+1. How depressing. Spectacular scenery, crappy tracks and ambience. Most if not all people on this website value wild places for the remoteness and lack of development. PWS has lost the plot. Maybe that's what we need - a plot to bury the new tracks and huts.
Lost wrote:Nungulba wrote:Yes, well it remains to be seen whether "local" Tasmanian patronage will be enough, since Mainlanders (whom I suspect are the main target of this development) will be heading to the Gold Coast for their winter break!!!
P.S. No disrespect to Tasmanians (I was one myself for thirty years, before the arthritis took its inevitable toll) but they just don't have as deep pockets as the tourists. On the bright side, they are also more perceptive: they know a "rip-off" when they see it!
Didn't know there was that many multi day bush walks on the goldie. Numbers on the OT during winter have been increasing steadily over the last few years. All those mainlanders and internationals who just don't have deep pockets I guess.No disrespect intended.
Lost wrote:It is interesting to note as we have some posts from NSW that as last time I was up in NSW(living) Apart from Thredbo and Perisher NSW National parks would not permit any building of structures ie Accommodation and even went as far as trying to remove all the shacks in the Royal National Park(which will be removed once the owners move on) especially on the Coast walk and when the YHA shack/accommodation burnt down at Garie they were not permitted to build another one.
There was much ado/debate about the removal of shacks At Garie, Era and further south in the Royal.
National parks aren't solely there for the benefit of people or a select few companies to make quite a few dollars.
north-north-west wrote:Nungulba wrote:P.S I am informed by National Parks & Wildlife (by email) that there are some SIX camping spots in the area. So, dear N/N/W, there is nothing to prevent you walking to Cape Pillar, even if Hurricane Heath is off-limits to camping (H.H. never appealed to me much as a camping spot anyway - just a maze of Bauera scrub!)
According to public announcements, the only place non-fee-paying walkers are allowed to camp is Wughalee Falls - which is only one small step up from useless as it's barely an hour in from the road. Yes, I can walk in - but I can't camp anywhere near unless I pay their ridiculous fees. I can't access water easily unless I pay their ridiculous fees because the track has been routed away from the previous Lunchtime Creek crossing. I can't use the new track to Arthurs Peak because that's off-limits to non-fee-paying walkers. There is an old rough walking track into Denmans via Stinking Bay. But with the restriction on track use I can't follow that and then continue on the new track to connect with the rebuilt Cape Pillar track - I'd have to do what I did in the past to connect them - scrub bash.
None of this is about protection of the environment (and remember, I went in there a number of times during the construction phase, and have seen what was involved in building this track. The level of damage done in setting up worker campsites and equipment staging points and drop zones is appalling.) which is what any NP service should have as their primary aim. This track is about revenue above all else.
And, frankly, your opinion of Hurricane Heath is irrelevant, not to mention ignorant. There was a brilliant camping area in the shelter of the trees toward the cliffs. If you never saw it, that's your loss.
ps: You reckon only 'super fit elite outdoor gymnasts' being able to walk into certain areas is elitist and exclusivist and then you use Kurt Fearnley as an example of what disabled people can do? Seriously? You honestly don't see the disparity of attitudes there?
Lophophaps wrote:Lost said "National parks aren't solely there for the benefit of people or a select few companies to make quite a few dollars." My take on that observation is that national parks exist for several reasons, including preserving the environment. This is why there are reference areas, where very few people are permitted.
The Three Capes development has compromised that objective, is too much for the region, lacks character, has a boring track, and cost too much. There should have been the absolute minimum done to allow more people commensurate with safety and maintaining the place. It's like bush McMansion. To modify Spock from Star Trek, "It's a bushwalk, Jim, but not as we know it."
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