Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby PeterJ » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 9:16 am

nickthetasmaniac wrote:.......I honestly doubt that. For a feature this visible if people are going to climb it then they're going to climb it - I don't think a name will make an ounce of difference......


Give a point and see what happens
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby stepbystep » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 9:25 am

PeterJ wrote:
nickthetasmaniac wrote:.......I honestly doubt that. For a feature this visible if people are going to climb it then they're going to climb it - I don't think a name will make an ounce of difference......


Give a point and see what happens


MJD has it on his list as Mount Ossa(South) and has assigned 2 points :wink:
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 9:30 am

stepbystep wrote:
PeterJ wrote:
nickthetasmaniac wrote:.......I honestly doubt that. For a feature this visible if people are going to climb it then they're going to climb it - I don't think a name will make an ounce of difference......


Give a point and see what happens


MJD has it on his list as Mount Ossa(South) and has assigned 2 points :wink:



Rightly so. It's a prominent impressive peak.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby nickthetasmaniac » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 9:36 am

DaveNoble wrote:Here in NSW - we have a large wilderness area known as the Wollangambe Wilderness (in Blue Mts and Wollemi National Parks) that has very few names beside those for the major creeks. And amongst the very few names that are there are "Lost Flat" and "Mt Mistake". This is one area that has kept a special wilderness mystique.


I see your point (as I saw jmac's), but what I question is the application of the term 'wilderness'. Cradle Mt - Lake St Clair NP is hardly the Southwest NP, and as a 'large wilderness area' almost every distinct feature has been named. Generally with a massif such as Ossa, each distinct peak is named (case in point - the Anne massif with Mt Anne, Mt Eliza, Mt Sarah-Jane and so on).

PeterJ wrote:Give a point and see what happens


Lol I won't argue with that :)
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby Nuts » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 12:52 pm

I would say cm/lsc deserves wilderness status as much as any other park. From the point of impact v conservation even moreso than more remote places perhaps.There is merit in being vigilant/proactive/ responsible for even those impacts that aren't immediately obvious. In this case even a small increase in numbers camping on the summit (to bag peak 2) would be unacceptable.

Would that happen? Possibly..

Either way, a quick glance at Tassie history reveals that some peaks are named after pretty dodgy characters and some of those mentioned here are likely more deserving.

As an aside.., I would like to see Eric recognized as an equally influential role in the area as anyone else (and i can think of a few other characters who rarely get a mention but deserve one.. Perhaps for another topic) and for the vast number of people who have been employed and come of age working for and with him or the industry he essentially started in Australia.

(sarge is very much alive jmac, I saw him launching his home made kayak into the Mersey last summer :) I feel a bit embarrassed that it didn't click place names were mostly posthumous) Anyhow.. He looked fine
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby jmac » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 3:28 pm

"(sarge is very much alive jmac, I saw him launching his home made kayak into the Mersey last summer I feel a bit embarrassed that it didn't click place names were mostly posthumous) Anyhow.. He looked fine"

That's great to hear, although it was PeterJ who asked after him. I didn't enter the part of the discussion that considered the merits of nomenclature candidates because my preference was for non-nomenclature in this instance.

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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 3:32 pm

DaveNoble wrote:
jmac wrote:I believe there's a strong argument for minimising assignment of new names to features in the wilderness.


Agreed. Also - no need for a name for the other summit of Ossa (to the NW of Ossa on the ridge to Thetis - a pinnacle - and perhaps the most spectacular summit of Ossa)

Its nice to have large blank areas on the map. (The book "Blank on the Map" by Tilman is a classic). Here in NSW - we have a large wilderness area known as the Wollangambe Wilderness (in Blue Mts and Wollemi National Parks) that has very few names beside those for the major creeks. And amongst the very few names that are there are "Lost Flat" and "Mt Mistake". This is one area that has kept a special wilderness mystique.

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I'd not considered this. I like the thought of it, has kind of a romantic and wild feel to it.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby norts » Fri 28 Sep, 2012 4:46 pm

You can use peoples names if they agree, in our area we have a street named after a living person, I know because I was the one who did the admin for it through council. So dont let that be an obstacle to the name you want to put forward.

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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby Nuts » Sat 29 Sep, 2012 11:22 am

jmac wrote:"(sarge is very much alive.....
That's great to hear, although it was PeterJ who asked after him. I didn't enter the part of the discussion that considered the merits of nomenclature candidates because my preference was for non-nomenclature in this instance.

All the best,

J.


Arr, right apologies, iPhone with poor reception so I cut corners..

Of course I agree with the idea of minimizing further impact, in this case it might be warranted. In other places perhaps not.

Hi norts, that's good to hear, in a sense it seems a good idea to acknowledge those deserving while they are still around.

As far as nick giving a name to punters, I've heard some CH interps, just make one up :wink: :P
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby nickthetasmaniac » Sat 29 Sep, 2012 12:29 pm

Nuts wrote:As far as nick giving a name to punters, I've heard some CH interps, just make one up :wink: :P



I do. And until something better is suggested, it will remain Nick's Nut :D
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby fenlok » Sun 07 Oct, 2012 1:21 pm

To expand on the idea of what it might be named (if it actually is un-named at present); do you think the mythological names in the area add to its mystique?

12 years ago on an excursion through the Styx Valley with the Wilderness Society, they were calling for suggestions for the hollowed-out Regnans we visited. It has since been known as 'The Chapel Tree', though our suggestion was Charons Chapel - in keeping with the Styx River, though it perhaps requires too much explanation rather than the simpler, shorter 'Chapel Tree'.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby north-north-west » Sun 07 Oct, 2012 6:09 pm

fenlok wrote:To expand on the idea of what it might be named (if it actually is un-named at present); do you think the mythological names in the area add to its mystique?


I'm not sure about 'mystique', but I love the way Tasmania tends to take a theme and run with it: the biblical stuff in the Walls, astronomy in the WArthurs, Classical mythology in the Reserve, British political history in the King Willies . . . there's nothing quite like that anywhere else in Aus.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby corvus » Sun 07 Oct, 2012 6:32 pm

Could it be that many of those who did the naming in Tasmania may have received a vastly different education ? those with an education, the surveyors chose classical Greek names and the " bushmen" used only Biblical ones ?
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby NickD » Mon 08 Oct, 2012 7:30 am

Gotta agree with Dave and Jmac here. If you look at Mt Proteus to the West of Pelion West before it was named it recieved more or less no visitors, ever! Now its recognized as an Abel and it now gets...well bugger all visitors, but visitors none the less. Tramontane to the East of High Dome is believed to never have been climbed before what 2010? Now its destined to recieve every hardcore Abelist over the next 10 years.

I like the idea of a nickname and Nick if you want to tell your Punters its Nicks Nut then more power to you, hell I will uphold the name too with mine, but I think we can leave it blank on the maps and just have names between mates etc.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby nickthetasmaniac » Mon 08 Oct, 2012 7:09 pm

NickD wrote:Gotta agree with Dave and Jmac here. If you look at Mt Proteus to the West of Pelion West before it was named it recieved more or less no visitors, ever! Now its recognized as an Abel and it now gets...well bugger all visitors, but visitors none the less. Tramontane to the East of High Dome is believed to never have been climbed before what 2010? Now its destined to recieve every hardcore Abelist over the next 10 years.


I think the bits in bold are the significant bits here. Is *Mt Ossa South* an Abel? Serious question... I don't have the 1:25000 map to confirm.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby tastrax » Mon 08 Oct, 2012 7:20 pm

nickthetasmaniac wrote: Is *Mt Ossa South* an Abel? Serious question... I don't have the 1:25000 map to confirm.


No its not an Abel - any unnamed peaks that qualified as Abels were given a name by the Nomenclature Board (at the authors suggestion I suspect)
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby chapman » Tue 06 Nov, 2012 1:15 pm

I would not be surprised if this already has a name. In recent years there have been quite a few features in Tasmania that have received names but these names are not placed onto any government produced maps. This is deliberate policy of parks and the nomenclature board. It means a place can receive a valid official name thus stopping everyone asking for it to be named again, yet leaves the map blank hence discouraging some from visiting it. I can give several examples of this for features that I know have official names but I will not list them here as that will obviously draw attention to them.
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Re: Southern buttress of Ossa - Name?

Postby north-north-west » Tue 22 Jan, 2013 6:51 pm

If not, and you really think it needs one, (and please excuse me if this is a little too PC for you) why not ask the local aboriginal community if they could come up with something appropriate?
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