Tarkine mining

[corvus]

Another motherhood type statement/post IMHO
corvus

[photohiker]

Another motherhood type statement/post IMHO
corvus

Just answer the bits you can Corvus. Surely you have something constructive to offer?

Playing the put-down game doesn't help the discussion.

[corvus]

Another motherhood type statement/post IMHO
corvus

Just answer the bits you can Corvus. Surely you have something constructive to offer?

Playing the put-down game doesn't help the discussion.

Which bits of the motherhood statements would you like me to address there are so many?? by the way I know and respect who taswegian is .

Corvus

[photohiker]

Which bits of the motherhood statements would you like me to address there are so many?? by the way I know and respect who taswegian is .

That would be your choice, not mine, as you are the one making the statement.

See if you can find the most important part of the post you disagree with, and address that part.

Extra points if you can stick to the discussion and not play the man.

[Nuts]

Any activist that is not first and foremost a student of human thinking, and instead focuses on the effects of human acts/behaviours is at least one step removed from understanding the root cause of any problem caused by humans, and will be largely ineffective in making changes.(IMO)

Well, no not really, it wouldn't take a lot of imagination to have someone talk you into chaining yourself to a dozer.

Extra points if you can stick to the discussion and not play the man.

It doesn't seem to me to be 'playing the man' Michael?
Supporting democracy with a dislike for social engineering? (I don't know, more would definitely help, people do tend to get frustrated.. use fewer words) Anyhow, lets not turn this back into a tit-for-tat, personally I like the realism of some of the last few pages here. Including within TW's posts.

'Pie in the Sky', without federal intervention- it seems that way?

Again, if someone with factual knowledge of the situation as it stands would like to comment, perhaps debunk some of the embellishments or give hope to the visionary- you have our attention.

[photohiker]

Extra points if you can stick to the discussion and not play the man.

It doesn't seem to me to be 'playing the man'

Correct. It isn't playing the man. I'm suggesting Corvus doesn't go there, and instead engages in the discussion.

It's easy to drop a suggestion that taswegian's post is all motherhood statements, harder to explain exactly why, and that is what is missing. Personally I don't see it as a bunch of motherhood statements, but happy to hear a cogent explanation of why it is seen that way by at least one poster.

[Nuts]

Correct. It isn't playing the man. I'm suggesting Corvus doesn't go there, and instead engages in the discussion.

but you must have had exactly than in mind when reading.. ah, nevermind..

I'd like to see a succinct multi-paragraph response as well. It might be easier to understand (living here) without the need for such a response so I'd, personally, just take it as a comment and move on.

Must admit i'm a tad envious of SBS. I could live up there (ok I didn't say that..).. and humour aside I find myself still here, most days of two weeks later, trying to express my appreciation to these very people for their replies to a one line add for employment. Bushwalkers (obviously), nature lovers by inference.

[north-north-west]

Why didn’t those early slaves to the Egyptians think outside the box and deliver the bricks in another form?

Ahhh, maybe they were to busy just trying to survive to start thinking outside the pyramid?

[Nuts]

I see the analogy- enter the toga wearing hedonists.

[corvus]

I accept all or any criticism for my posts however I do reserve the right to not agree with some without the need to pin point which of their comments /statements I do not agree with .
Some mention was made about the Industrial Revolution however I cannot remember the British Isles being totally "devastated " by Mining ,Forestry et all since then, yes I do agree that we need to look after our Island State but without increased employment we may have only old retirees like me contributing nothing but my food and drink spending when your children head interstate, what then
As a parthian shot I ask those of you who are not residents of Tasmania "what are you doing in your own back yard" to "save the planet"
corvus

[corvus]

Which bits of the motherhood statements would you like me to address there are so many?? by the way I know and respect who taswegian is .

That would be your choice, not mine, as you are the one making the statement.

See if you can find the most important part of the post you disagree with, and address that part.

Extra points if you can stick to the discussion and not play the man.

Michael,
I have followed your pursuit of " Ent" in past posts and I do not feel you are worth me engaging in any further repartee with you .
corvus

[photohiker]

Which bits of the motherhood statements would you like me to address there are so many?? by the way I know and respect who taswegian is .

That would be your choice, not mine, as you are the one making the statement.

See if you can find the most important part of the post you disagree with, and address that part.

Extra points if you can stick to the discussion and not play the man.

Michael,
I have followed your pursuit of " Ent" in past posts and I do not feel you are worth me engaging in any further repartee with you .
corvus

Thanks for your reply.

Let me be clear. I'm not asking you to 'repartee' with me. I'm asking you to meaningfully engage with the post that you call a bunch of motherhood statements.

You say you respect taswegian. Show us.

[stepbystep]

For those who say the Shree site is/was simply buttongrass/teatree, you are wrong. Significant tall forest clearing has occurred. This photo shows very clearly the proximity of the initial mine workings to the Nelson Bay River. Any spill of tailings will end up in this river, the Rebecca Lagoon and the pristine Tarkine coast.

If you'd like to stay informed join this group, plenty of photos, information and soon video. A good place to engage also if you'd like your voice heard amongst the conservation movement.

https://www.facebook.com/TarkineAction

Better still if you want to get involved at the grassroots level to try and halt further mines come along to a fundraising event.

[RichB]

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[Nuts]

i think I lack the charm to be a greenie.
C'mon richb, surely no need to get all puckered up, here amongst bushwalkers.

[corvus]

Are the greedy parasites still in favour of Tarkine mining? Proud of Tasmania are you..Proud to see this beautiful state being bulldozed for a handful of jobs...You people if I can call you that are disgusting..

Wow !!
Is that the best you can up with, Pathetic Rant !! I forget but are you in some sort of of full time employment that you want to deny to others who are not so fortunate or are you just an other ??????

I have no shares in this proposed mine I am just an old retired fart who loves this State and hopeful for the future of young Tasmanians to get employment here in the many occupations that may benefit from this Mine and any others here.
Just as an after thought are you old enough to vote ??
corvus

[stepbystep]

Hey RichB
Your posts aren't at all helpful. No one is more disillusioned and frustrated by the blinkered attitudes of some than I. But your posts are juvenile and insulting.

I'll post some stunning HD vision soon of the 'province of tin' that makes Cradle Mountain look tame. True wilderness, truly threatened. It's real and happening now.

[clarence]

Are the greedy parasites still in favour of Tarkine mining? Proud of Tasmania are you..Proud to see this beautiful state being bulldozed for a handful of jobs...You people if I can call you that are disgusting..

The real parasite is Tasmania, a state who derives its social and economic wellbeing from other states where development and mining are allowed. Tasmania receives about twice the federal funding per capita of most of the other states in Australia- putting it well and truly in the "parasite" category.

I have been an environmentalist all my life, but the beligerent attitude of hard line conservationists makes me seriously question the "deep green" philosophy.

Clarence

[flyfisher]

Are the greedy parasites still in favour of Tarkine mining? Proud of Tasmania are you..Proud to see this beautiful state being bulldozed for a handful of jobs...You people if I can call you that are disgusting..

The real parasite is Tasmania, a state who derives its social and economic wellbeing from other states where development and mining are allowed. Tasmania receives about twice the federal funding per capita of most of the other states in Australia- putting it well and truly in the "parasite" category.

I have been an environmentalist all my life, but the beligerent attitude of hard line conservationists makes me seriously question the "deep green" philosophy.

Clarence

+1 Well put Clarence.

[Hallu]

People don't seem to understand that it's actually noble to give money to Tasmania in order to preserve its wilderness... Parasite ? What are you on about ? It's not a separate country, it's still Australia... Giving money to a less developped part of the same country, in order to preserve it or help it, is done all the time in every country in the world... Why do you have to think as if Tasmania had to do everything itself, like a separate country ??

[Clusterpod]

Hah yup.

Imagine if something as intrinsically worthless as a city started having to pay its own way.

Three square meals till anarchy.

[RichB]

When I say parasite..Iam referring to the Tasmanians who couldn't care less if Tasmania is destroyed for a handful of jobs..Still haven't heard how many Tasmanians are actually employed in these mines?, and how many are from other states,overseas?
No I'm not in full time employment..I'm one of the people who loves Tasmania and living in this beautiful state, but to do that had to get off my *&%$#! and find contract overseas employment..It is out there you know, if the idle can be bothered to look for it and if you have some kind of skills behind you.....

[Nuts]

I don't think employment issues in the North West have a lot to do with mining Rich B? It seems more the failure or successive industries (perhaps governments). Welfare is a poor alternative, it's a shame it's had to come to this.

but welfare is interesting in a 'progressive' sense.. providing alternatives? It's not like we don't deserve welfare for hosting such a playground.

[clarence]

People don't seem to understand that it's actually noble to give money to Tasmania in order to preserve its wilderness... Parasite ? What are you on about ? It's not a separate country, it's still Australia... Giving money to a less developped part of the same country, in order to preserve it or help it, is done all the time in every country in the world... Why do you have to think as if Tasmania had to do everything itself, like a separate country ??

Ask the treasurers of most of the larger states and they'd find the term "parasite" very appropriate. I think about Tasmania as an independent entity that should support itself because that is the reality of the world we live in. The other states who are paying the way for Tasmania would laugh at any arguement regarding "noble" charity. They just want Tasmania to get its act together and stop being the gold-medal welfare state of Australia. The commonwealth handouts are preserving a culture of mediocrity and dependence.

Clarence

[Grindelwalddave]

Supporters of mining in the Tarkine will be celebrating the "one stop shop" for project approvals negotiated yesterday between the state premiers and the Federal government. This cutting of "green tape" will mean that mining projects will be in the hands of state governments. Its a perfect storm for the Tarkine. Pro development/ anti green state governments providing quick approvals, a fatigued, divided and maligned environmental movement and an apathetic public (witness the muted outcry at the announcement of millions of dredge material being dumped near the Great Barrier Reef.)

[Taurë-rana]

clarence, Tassie has a population of about 500,000. I'm sure there are areas in the big cities in Australia that have the same population and the same number of people on welfare, but you don't grizzle about that. As Hallu said, we are still part of Australia, just like the towns elsewhere in the country that have high unemployment.

People here don't choose to be on a low income or on welfare any more than anywhere else, we'd all like to have as much money as you apparently do but can't get the high paid work to do so. I've lost track of how many jobs I've applied for over the last couple of years and not got one, just very lucky I have a small business to support me.

Supporters of mining in the Tarkine will be celebrating the "one stop shop" for project approvals negotiated yesterday between the state premiers and the Federal government. This cutting of "green tape" will mean that mining projects will be in the hands of state governments. Its a perfect storm for the Tarkine. Pro development/ anti green state governments providing quick approvals, a fatigued, divided and maligned environmental movement and an apathetic public (witness the muted outcry at the announcement of millions of dredge material being dumped near the Great Barrier Reef.)

[stepbystep]

Supporters of mining in the Tarkine will be celebrating the "one stop shop" for project approvals negotiated yesterday between the state premiers and the Federal government. This cutting of "green tape" will mean that mining projects will be in the hands of state governments. Its a perfect storm for the Tarkine. Pro development/ anti green state governments providing quick approvals, a fatigued, divided and maligned environmental movement and an apathetic public (witness the muted outcry at the announcement of millions of dredge material being dumped near the Great Barrier Reef.)

We are truly experiencing the darkest of days. it's incredibly sad.
We've just seen a major spill at the Ranger Uranium mine. We will undoubtedly have spills and 'incidents' in the Tarkine, all in the pursuit of a few dollars. I'm sad you have lost focus clarence. The Tarkine is worth fighting for, I've immersed myself this past week in some of the most stunning HD vision of the 'province of tin' and I'd defy any thinking, caring, future oriented person who saw that to say 'dig it up'. The video premiere's at a function tonight in Hobart full of those thinking, caring, future oriented people and it will be on the web next week. I'll be sure to post a link.

[clarence]

Clarence,
we'd all like to have as much money as you apparently do

It is pretty woeful when people get personal and make presumptive statements about other people's situations (about which they know nothing) rather than keeping to the facts.

Not very mature or constructive Tuare-rana.

Clarence

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[Nuts]

Hey SBS, not sure if you are involved but I think facts, overviews, realistic acknowledgement of areas degraded.. that sort of thing would be most useful to conservation, as opposed to just being emotive for 'conservationists'. We all expect pretty pictures. I could show you pics in areas of our farm that could have been mistaken for pristine wilderness (yet are amongst a sea of vegie paddocks).

[stepbystep]

Hey SBS, not sure if you are involved but I think facts, overviews, realistic acknowledgement of areas degraded.. that sort of thing would be most useful to conservation, as opposed to just being emotive for 'conservationists'. We all expect pretty pictures. I could show you pics in areas of our farm that could have been mistaken for pristine wilderness (yet are amongst a sea of vegie paddocks).

If I choose to be emotive in my language I will thankyou very much. Don't patronise me.

I have no idea what facts you are chasing? Please specify. The Shree project? Riley Creek? Mt Lindsay? Livingstone? The end game?

How's this for a fact. The Tarkine holds the largest tract of INTACT cool temperate rainforest in Australia. FACT. True wilderness, unlike your precious Overland Track or WoJ. If these mines continue to be developed, that will no longer be a fact. That makes me emotional.

The Australian heritage council recommended this area be protected for all time, the state and federal government chose to ignore this advice based on chasing votes in the NW.