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Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 9:44 am**

Has anyone ever heard of a specific name for the southern buttress of Ossa? Or is it just another part of the mass that is referred to as Mt Ossa...

Southern buttress of Mt Ossa by nickthetasmaniac, on Flickr

Cheers, Nick

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 7:38 pm**

According to the LIST, its only title is "1443" :lol:

but looks worthy of an appropriate title!

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 8:29 pm**

What about Ossa Minor ?

corvus

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 8:31 pm**

corvus wrote:What about Ossa Minor ?
corvus

Or reverse it, Asso?

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 8:39 pm**

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 9:21 pm**

I like the idea of Connell Bluff after the Connells who had so to do with the overland

Posted: **Wed 26 Sep, 2012 10:13 pm**

Seems appropriate, paddy already has his nut. I had only even seen it called a bluff on here, i think of a bluff as a cliff ending to a plateau or ridge. It is an impressive 'part' either way

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 7:32 am**

PeterJ wrote:I like the idea of Connell Bluff after the Connells who had so to do with the overland

That's a great idea! Does anyone know the process to submit such a proposal to the appropriate state authorities for consideration? Perhaps the members of this forum could be the recommending body for this.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 7:40 am**

A quick Google search found this website with all the answers - http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/We ... 3N59M?open
I have highlighted some relevant sections that would apply to this potential proposal. One avenue for requesting a new name is a record of usage, so if we decide on a name and start using it, then this will be evidence to support such a proposal.

Quote -

"Guiding Principles for the Assignment of Place Names

The Board has adopted over the years the following principles:

Official and Published Names
Unless there is good reason to the contrary, primary consideration is given to names mentioned in authentic works, such as reference books, historic records, maps, charts, etc. or names widely established by community usage. Names created by appropriate legislation cannot be altered by the Nomenclature Board.

New Names
New names submitted for consideration by the Board should comply with these guiding principles, and in general will be considered only if adequate information on their origin and usage is provided.

When no previous names exist, primary consideration will be given to a name in keeping with the character and tradition of the area; with historical or local significance; being suggestive of any peculiarity of a topographical feature; or being of aboriginal derivation, and having an appropriate meaning.

Uniformity of Names
Names applying to features in a given area should be conforming. For instance:
the same name should apply for the post office, railway station, etc. as for the Town or Locality.
the same name should apply for different parts of the same natural feature, as with a stream from its source to its mouth via the principal branch, even though it may be interrupted by a lake, reservoir, etc.
Duplication of names is highly undesirable, however in some cases is unavoidable, particularly where names have long standing public acceptance. In these cases the Board may seek to modify a name to avoid continuing confusion.

Personal Names
Personal names are not acceptable unless it is in the public interest to honour a person by applying his/her name to an appropriate geographical feature. The application of a personal name during the lifetime of the person concerned is made only in exceptional circumstances where:
it can be shown that a person's name has been in general use for a significant period; or
where it commemorates exploration or a particular feat by that person; and
where the Board is satisfied that approval of the name will not be beneficial to the person in the public sphere, and does not contravene other guidelines and principles."

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 7:55 am**

tas-man wrote:
PeterJ wrote:I like the idea of Connell Bluff after the Connells who had so to do with the overland

That's a great idea! Does anyone know the process to submit such a proposal to the appropriate state authorities for consideration? Perhaps the members of this forum could be the recommending body for this.

I believe a letter to the Nomanclature board is all it takes??

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 8:32 am**

I am sure I saw a name attached to it somewhere as I have thought of it as Ossas Heel and saw something and went "oh thats what it's called". Maybe I was dreaming, I will try and wrack my brain (which seldom works!).

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 8:35 am**

ILUVSWTAS wrote:I believe a letter to the Nomanclature board is all it takes??

Perhaps the letter should come from someone like Bushwalk Tasmania, the peak body for bushwalking clubs in Tasmania. I will talk to David Atkins the current president and LWC member and see what can be done to follow up on this idea.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:00 am**

If you read the Abels, a few of the names for them came from suggestions by the author. So it cant be that hard. I would think a name for a mountain in a NP would have to be approved by PAWS as well as the Nomenclature Board.
I would think that it would go to Nomenclature first.
Roger

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:09 am**

I suspect the Nomenclature Board would want to keep the Greek Mountain theme running. Pick a mountain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... _in_Greece

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:31 am**

Not necessarily, we have Smithies Peak, Paddy's Nut, Weindoffers Tower, Perrins Bluff, Mount Oakleigh and probably more....

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:35 am**

Mt Bushwalk.com?

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:52 am**

Bush walk.com lol. Tbh while the Connels are legendary I would name it Sargents.. Er.. Part.

Eric must have climbed it many more times than anyone else (over 300 times since the 30's..so go the legends). Many here would never have heard of him, does he count? :wink:

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 10:31 am**

Surveyors bluff, can honor all the pioneering surveyors that slogged through tas wilderness

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 10:57 am**

Nuts wrote:I had only even seen it called a bluff on here, i think of a bluff as a cliff ending to a plateau or ridge.

Yeah, I'm not the geography expert but I don't think this would be defined as a 'bluff'? It seems too defined as a peak to me... That's why I referred to is as a 'buttress' in the thread title. On this point, I've always wondered why Mt Oakleigh isn't referred to as a bluff?

tas-man wrote:One avenue for requesting a new name is a record of usage, so if we decide on a name and start using it, then this will be evidence to support such a proposal.

I'm happy to start telling guests on my trips that it's 'x' peak/bluff/buttress if this would help

"Guiding Principles for the Assignment of Place Names

...Personal names are not acceptable unless it is in the public interest to honour a person by applying his/her name to an appropriate geographical feature.

So 'Nick's Nut' is out?

frenchy_84 wrote:Surveyors bluff, can honor all the pioneering surveyors that slogged through tas wilderness...

I like this idea - have it named in memory of the early pioneering spirit, rather than honouring one specific person/family. Also seems pretty suitable as it remains a bit of a *&%$#! to actuall get to :wink:

As I mentioned above though, I'd suggest Surveyors Buttress, rather than Bluff.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:40 am**

Surely the southern buttress of Ossa should be named "Ossa's Butt"? :mrgreen:

Connell works too.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 5:07 pm**

How about setting up a poll after short listing some names. If we were to start using a name, we should probably come to some agreement first, so our digital records are consistent as evidence to support a nomination to the Nomenclature Board in due course. So far we have as contenders -
-Connells Bluff
-Surveyors Bluff
-Sargents Bluff

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 6:53 pm**

Nuts wrote:?....... I would name it Sargents.. .....Eric :

I assume he is still alive, I think they will not accept a name unless the person is deceased.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 9:59 pm**

Nuts wrote:Bush walk.com lol. Tbh while the Connels are legendary I would name it Sargents.. Er.. Part.

Eric must have climbed it many more times than anyone else (over 300 times since the 30's..so go the legends). Many here would never have heard of him, does he count?

Eric is a true Overland legend :wink:

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 10:52 pm**

I can't for the life of me think where, but I swear I've heard of a place called Surveyors Bluff...

Does anyone know if there was a Aboriginal name for Ossa?

PeterJ wrote:
Nuts wrote:?....... I would name it Sargents.. .....Eric :

I assume he is still alive, I think they will not accept a name unless the person is deceased.

"The application of a personal name during the lifetime of the person concerned is made only in exceptional circumstances where:
...where it commemorates exploration or a particular feat by that person..."

Sargent would probably still be a possibility considering his work in the area with Craclair.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:00 pm**

I believe there's a strong argument for minimising assignment of new names to features in the wilderness. Each time something extra is named it arguably erodes the wilderness values of the area.

When I was programming occasional walks to it as Walks Secretary of LWC 20-odd (?) years ago, it was commonly known amongst members as Mt. Ossa South. Surely that will still suffice?

Cheers,

J.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:08 pm**

jmac wrote:I believe there's a strong argument for minimising assignment of new names to features in the wilderness. Each time something extra is named it arguably erodes the wilderness values of the area.

In a remote area with very little use, I'd possibly agree. However given the level of use and infrastructure on the Overland Track generally and in Pinestone Valley specifically, I'd question the 'wilderness' tag. Also, arguing that the lack of a name makes something wilderness seems a bit like sticking your head in the sand to me. Dozens of people walk past this feature every day during season - having a name won't change that.

When I was programming occasional walks to it as Walks Secretary of LWC 20-odd (?) years ago, it was commonly known amongst members as Mt. Ossa South. Surely that will still suffice?

Isn't that assigning a name?

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:19 pm**

Yes it is, but not on a map, only amongst friends.

The reason "people walk past" is that it doesn't have a name. Name it, and a greater proportion will begin to climb it.

J.

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:30 pm**

jmac wrote:The reason "people walk past" is that it doesn't have a name. Name it, and a greater proportion will begin to climb it.

I honestly doubt that. For a feature this visible if people are going to climb it then they're going to climb it - I don't think a name will make an ounce of difference. There's a lot of other named peaks in Cradle/St Clair that are very rarely climbed. I think the difficulty of getting to this one will remain a turnoff for most...

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:38 pm**

jmac wrote:I believe there's a strong argument for minimising assignment of new names to features in the wilderness.

Agreed. Also - no need for a name for the other summit of Ossa (to the NW of Ossa on the ridge to Thetis - a pinnacle - and perhaps the most spectacular summit of Ossa)

Its nice to have large blank areas on the map. (The book "Blank on the Map" by Tilman is a classic). Here in NSW - we have a large wilderness area known as the Wollangambe Wilderness (in Blue Mts and Wollemi National Parks) that has very few names beside those for the major creeks. And amongst the very few names that are there are "Lost Flat" and "Mt Mistake". This is one area that has kept a special wilderness mystique.

Dave

Posted: **Thu 27 Sep, 2012 11:41 pm**

Not an ounce? Then let's just agree to differ. I've definitely seen it transpire over the course of my bushwalking career, many of the peaks named by Bill as mentioned above are a case in point.

I'm not here to debate it though. I check in rarely. I'll leave you in peace.

Cheers,

J.

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