Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:00 pm
corvus wrote:so perhaps Club membership is not as attractive as it once was owing to cost ,regulations and even litigation ?
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:17 pm
Spot on, climberman. Same things as my walking club. We have 200 members and get 50-60 to meetings twice a month. It's a social occasion, a chance to catch up with people you haven't seen for a while.climberman wrote:Not a bushwalking club, but my local flyfishing club has a similar demographic. At 40 I am one of the three or four youngest.
We make a good effort, every month, to have a meeting that meets the needs and wants of members, and from a club of around 70-80 most years, gets 25-35 members turn up each month. How do we do this ?
a) seperate out the business from the pleasure. Business is dealt with at a mangement meeting (held the night befor a general club meeting). If need be it is brought up and summarised at the general club meeting. Any member is welcome to an executive meeting to either see what is going on or to raise an issue they would like to see addressed (purchases, rules amendments, whatever).
b) we hold a raffle each month. low cost, small but regular prizes (to about $25 value), often as donations from retail outlets or our host venue (a local leagues club).
c) we talk fishing not politics, nor the politics of fishing. Who's been fishing, what have they caught, where'd hey go, who fell in, what were the great sledges. This info is relayed in only the most general terms in the newlsetter, so if you want the good oil, ya goota turn up.
d) spread the executive and other roles very thin. We have a meet and greet person, one who hands out name tags (note that both of these help members and guests feel at home and comfortable), a library holder, one who does the raffle, a newsletter editor, fly comp runner etc, etc. About 15 or so positions all up. all could easily have an equivalent in a walking club.
e) take the senior roles (Pres, finance, secretary, trips coordinator) seriously, and with good governenance.
f) have regular well organised guest speakers. We sometimes pay some costs to make a big name happen as well. We probably have around 60% of meetings with a guest speaker - a guide, a fly tier, an author (sometimes tied in with a book signing), a raconteur, a photographer, a fisheries rep, a beaureau of met rep, a local gun angler, a retailer or importer to spruik gear. Dedicated nighs to chewing the fat work well too. Swap meets get people talking and interacting, and you can even pick up a bargain. Members sometimes present on gear, and bring in four or seven versions of the same thing to compare and discuss. If you try and think hard and vary it a bit, there are many possibilities above and beyond a standard slide night.
g) buy stuff members can use and don't make the use rules too onerous. We have two PLB's and thought about a whole lot of restricitve rules but in the end they are a tool and if members are too scared to take them for fear of breaking a rule or being 'fined', they are no good. Can't save a life with a PLB if it's in the cupboard.
Nothing too didactic there I hope but some ideas that may work. Good luck with it !
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:29 pm
Bush_walker wrote:If the overnighter was just a hurdle to make entry more difficult and hence selectivethen doing away with it is no problem, but if it was there for a purpose then it seems a pity to compromise "just" to gain new members. Does it give new members a good introduction to what HWC is about and if so, isn't that a good thing?
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:34 pm
Penguin wrote:Eg for the training/first aid. Could waking clubs get together and develop an online course?
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:40 pm
davidmorr wrote:
My club has been asking new members for a couple of years how they found out about the club.
The web site is obviously doing a good job, but clearly our main source of new members is word of mouth. We make a big effort to be friendly and welcoming, and this is obviously benefiting us.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:42 pm
Bush_walker wrote:You have nailed it ..."meet the needs of the upcoming generation"
There is no need to attend a club meeting to do all this!
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:47 pm
davidmorr wrote:Administering first aid has legal implications. You need to be qualified to administer it to a casualty without being sued if you stuff it up.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 5:53 pm
davidmorr wrote:Bush_walker wrote:You have nailed it ..."meet the needs of the upcoming generation"
Are you saying that the existing club members have to go to a lot of trouble and work to attract a bunch of people who will likely make them uncomfortable?
Only if you regard a meeting as a nuisance - see climberman's post on making a meeting an attractive part of the club's activities. We have a significant number of members who *only come* to the meetings, ie, no walks.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:00 pm
davidmorr wrote: And many things in first aid require actual demonstration of the technique, something you cannot learn online. Think CPR, something that looks easy until you have to do it.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:16 pm
The Club has a policy of requiring anyone wanting to join to first attend at least one meeting and one trip. This gives the prospective member a chance to experience the activities carried out by the Club
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:16 pm
Embarrassed? That's sad!Bush_walker wrote:Yes, we shouldn't ignore word-of-mouth and personal invitations to attend introductory meetings as being most effective. These will never be replaced but effectiveness depends on Club members being willing to actively promote their Club. Some are too embarrassed to do so.
Only if you regard word of mouth as a mechanical thing. What gets people in is the "people" aspect. Seeing the excitement in someone's face as they relate what they did carries a lot more weight than seeing that something has 65 "likes".It is of course possible to imitate word-of-mouth on a website by incorporating website feedback such as "comments" and "likes". Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are most effective at rapidly changing public opinion as many companies have found to their detriment when adverse comments have been published.
The biggest problem bushwalking has is that the people would rather be out walking. Bushwalkers and clubs of all kinds really need to devote the time and effort to raising their profile as you say. This can be through social media, but it can also be through conventional mechanisms, like newspapers, TV, radio, community service, assisting at public events, etc.Clubs should be monitoring what is being said about them, other clubs and bushwalking in general in the the social media and respond where possible as this not only raises their profile but also their credibility.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:41 pm
That depends on how you set it up. I use Yahoo Groups for handling mailing lists, and this can be set up for all replies to automatically go back to everyone on the list. You can get very active discussions that way. There are lots of other systems that offer the same functionality.Bush_walker wrote:However, they tend to be 1:1 and don't encourage discussions, like this forum, as it is difficult to see earlier emails in the thread and there is usually a larger time gap between responses, which makes following an argument more cumbersome.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:49 pm
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 6:58 pm
That's true provided they can justify that what they did was appropriate. Without formal qualification, it is hard to do that.Bush_walker wrote:davidmorr wrote:Administering first aid has legal implications. You need to be qualified to administer it to a casualty without being sued if you stuff it up.
I have been told at my first aid courses that any bystander can administer first aid without any repercussions if they stuff up, providing they do so with the intent of helping the victim, which is obviously the case.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 7:08 pm
I'm thinking of the extra work you are suggesting for what are volunteers after all, who probably do not have the skills to do what you are suggesting.Bush_walker wrote:Anyway, why should having a bunch of younger people in your club make you feel uncomfortable? I always find the conversations invigorating!!!
No-one has to come to meetings if they don't want to. They can just ring up or e-mail the leader. Cannot imagine why people would need to attend a meeting in order to go on a walk. We try to minimise the bureaucracy.Lots of younger people and even older can't make meetings due to work, family and distance. Are you going to exclude them from your Club's bushwalking activities?
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 7:26 pm
Haha, the great clubs are in the regional cities - mine is in a city north of Sydney. (Won't give its name due to an incident last year involving a newspaper and a posting here. Hence my signature.)climberman wrote:davidmorr - I like some of your club meeting ideas and may try a few (love the phot comp) with Illawarra Flyfishers' club over teh coming year or two. We also make our club meeting at a club with a bistro, so members can get a beer/coffee/meal before the meeting. As you noted, it really adds to the social capacity of a meeting. Living in a regional city (Wollongong) means that it's really feasible for many members to get home from work, get changed, maybe have dinner, and get to a 7:30pm meeting, or get in early for a bite. We have quite a few members who travel a way as well though (from Southern or SW Sydney). The social aspect makes it worthwhile for them.
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 9:33 pm
davidmorr wrote:
And just as a further note, we did a survey 5 years ago about our meetings, asking about suitable nights and times, topics people wanted, why people did not come to meetings, etc. It was very, very useful. What we found was that the vast majority of people who did not come to meetings had a good reason, eg, working, too far away, no-one to look after the kids, etc. We would be mad to insist that they did. As I said in an earlier post, there is no substitute for real information on what members want.
And I'll give another tip: don't do it on a piece of paper - do it electronically. You get a much better response rate. We had over 50% which is very good for that sort of survey.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 9:56 pm
davidmorr wrote:Administering first aid has legal implications. You need to be qualified to administer it to a casualty without being sued if you stuff it up.
But there is no substitute for hands-on training such as BWRS offers in their Remote Area First Aid course. It is not the actual first aid that is learned so much as the skills in dealing with an emergency situation, diagnosing the injury/illness, initiating rescue actions, etc. http://bwrs.org.au/?q=first-aid-training
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 10:28 pm
Not bad for a refresher. Thanks for the link.Bush_walker wrote:I would agree with you about the need for hands-on training. I do however do an online first aid refresher every few months ( see below), which is equivalent to reading the first aid manual again
Senior First Aid online refresher course
Sat 24 Dec, 2011 11:46 pm
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 7:10 am
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 8:11 am
Good evening
I was undertaking some planning to undertake some sections of the GNW and came across your Website, I have been wondering if Newcastle had a Club like this and am pleased to see one, I am writing to confirm if the next meeting is scheduled for the 16 Jan.
Looking forward to becoming a new member
Michael
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 8:42 am
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 9:17 am
ben.h wrote:My suggestion would be for HWC (if they want to grow membership and attract younger walkers) is to grade all of their walks and to accept members interested in any of them (from 2 hour walks, upwards). Then, if you must ensure "appropriate" skill levels for multi-day walks rated "hard" then individualise the plan based on the walkers experience and fitness level and perhaps build into this plan a build up from half day to full day to multi-day.
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 9:29 am
davidmorr wrote:So in short, people want to join clubs - you just have to let them know you exist and make them want to join. A lot of what I have suggested is a once-only effort. Some parts are ongoing (eg, community noticeboard) but if you share the work around, it doesn't take long.
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 11:45 am
davidmorr wrote:* Web site with lots of good SEO words. SEO is Search Engine Optimisation, ie, putting in lots of the words people will use when searching for bushwalks. So the word "bushwalk" and its many variations (bushwalking, bushwalker, bush walk) should appear often.
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 4:59 pm
We do have a banner, but I have to say that my club has not been to a fair like that. We have a continually growing membership and have not felt the need yet.Bush_walker wrote:[The community service suggestion is one that Clubs could take up as many have an environmental sub-group ("Club within a club" ) and with so many community markets and school fetes around, joining with another "outdoors" group to share a stall is a great idea. Does your club have a roll up banner for this purpose?
Sun 25 Dec, 2011 10:32 pm
Mon 26 Dec, 2011 8:03 am
mikethepike wrote:My present club would require Jon Muir to prove himself on three overnight walks before he could become a full member and Andrew Lock (google the name if not familiar) would need to lead two mentored overnight walks at a required standard before he could even get his walk proposals listed on the club program, let alone actually lead them. Why would young people, even the sometimes denigrated Gen Y, want to be in such an environment?
Mon 26 Dec, 2011 9:13 am
From my experience, this is not quite correct. We do see a few people retiring and taking up bushwalking, but the majority of our new members are empty nesters, and singles and childless couples from late thirties to early 50s.Bush_walker wrote:Fortunately bushwalking Clubs have not been hit as hard as some others by the decline in participation through club membership, but this has usually been due to an influx of "baby boomers" reaching retirement and looking for a leisure activity to fill their spare time.
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