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Troy wrote:
Have you ever lived in the country? lived next door to a national park? Almost been burnt out (Neighbours almost were) due to the professionalism and dedication (on a less than adequate budget; this is being very polite)? If not, i suggest you reread your post, get a true perspective for the task at hand, and ask yourself, "What have i done to make things better?"
Tue 10 Jul, 2012 11:26 pm
Two bushwalk.com forum members wander into the so called wilderness for a few days.
Both take lots of great light weight gear.
This allows one member to take their camera, the other takes a rifle.
Whilst in the middle of nowhere they both get to shoot a fox, a pair of goats, a cat and three pigs.
Which member has made the greatest contribution to protecting ecosystems?
Postby Son of a Beach » Sat 23 Jun, 2012 4:07 pm
Perhaps I read it wrong, but I don't thing Tony's post mentioned that any other program's currently running are doing better at managing feral animal populations. He is merely stating that all the evidence suggests that recreational hunting is ineffective as a means of feral population control it large wild areas (note that intensive hunting is known to be effective on smaller maintained properties, but that is very different).
http://www.mudgeeguardian.com.au/news/local/news/general/shooting-in-parks-madness-says-hunting-club/2591568.aspx
Recent amendments to the Game and Feral Animal Control Act 2002 mean the State Government’s feral animal eradication program will be extended to 79 of the State’s 799 national parks, nature reserves and state conservation areas, including Coolah Tops National Park
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 1:13 pm
In regards to large area invasive species management, http://www.ssaa.org.au/shooter/shooter.html (current issue-July) An environmental bounceback - SSAA SA H&C (sorry, no online link to story, worth a read though if you can get access)
The above story refers to South Australia where groups hunting in the Flinders Range National Park (a large vast wild area) starting some 20 years ago, have helped with other groups bring back a wallaby species from the brink by significantly reducing feral numbers.
Access to 79 out of 799 national parks, that is only about 10%.
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 2:47 pm
Tony wrote:Until you come up with some relevant information I will still take no notice of your post.
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 3:02 pm
frenchy_84 wrote:Tony wrote:Until you come up with some relevant information I will still take no notice of your post.
A nice mature way to handle someone elses point of view...
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 3:37 pm
Tony wrote:Hi frenchy_84,
Thanks for you very informative input.
Tony
Tony wrote:Until you come up with some relevant information I will still take no notice of your post.
Tony
Tony wrote:Maybe you could let me know if have read this in SSAA magazines. In one SA park 65 recreational hunters spent four days culling goats, then a professional hunter went in with a helicopter and in four hours culled four times the goats than the 65 hunters did in four days.
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 4:14 pm
forest wrote:Tony wrote:Hi frenchy_84,
Thanks for you very informative input.
TonyTony wrote:Until you come up with some relevant information I will still take no notice of your post.
Tony
Good work Tony for turning a very good thread to trash. Anyone that doesn't quote a statistic just doesn't count eh.
I'll say it, I haven't added anything either, But I don't appreciate your scorne of others. That's a little unfair and probably not needed. Everyone has an opinion and should be able to voice it.Tony wrote:Maybe you could let me know if have read this in SSAA magazines. In one SA park 65 recreational hunters spent four days culling goats, then a professional hunter went in with a helicopter and in four hours culled four times the goats than the 65 hunters did in four days.
I recall reading that but I think it was the otherway around. Choppa then foot hunters, that makes perfect sense. The SA goat culling program has been one of the most sucessful I've heard of in the country for a NP. But you are not happy with that ??
The comparative ineffectiveness of recreational hunting
for population control is demonstrated in the contrasting
results of two efforts to reduce deer numbers at
the 9000 ha Gum Lagoon Conservation Park in South
Australia. A 2002 trial using 65 recreational hunters in a
directed hunt over four days resulted in 44 deer (18 female)
shot. The numbers shot were estimated to have
been about the annual population increase for fallow
deer and one-third of the annual increase for Red Deer.
In contrast, a four-hour helicopter cull in the same area
in 2007 using one shooter resulted in 182 deer shot, es-
estimated to be more than 90 per cent of the population.
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 4:55 pm
forest wrote: Everyone has an opinion and should be able to voice it.
Tony wrote:I am actually sick and tired of reading the BS you pro-hunters are pushing, so far none of it has any basis if facts, they are all just unsubstantiated opinions, surely you pro-hunters can do better than just attack me, which by the way does not worry me one bit
Thu 12 Jul, 2012 5:06 pm
Troy wrote:Two bushwalk.com forum members wander into the so called wilderness for a few days.
Both take lots of great light weight gear.
This allows one member to take their camera, the other takes a rifle.
Whilst in the middle of nowhere they both get to shoot a fox, a pair of goats, a cat and three pigs.
Which member has made the greatest contribution to protecting ecosystems?
Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:07 am
phan_TOM wrote:forest wrote: Everyone has an opinion and should be able to voice it.
Yes but an opinion based on ones 'feelings' or make believe (as troys seem to be and it seems most of the pro hunters) and not on fact is basically just trolling. I think Tony has a done a good job of trying to expose the truth with his posts, although pointless as it may seem. Trying to enlighten some with facts is like throwing super balls at a wall, boing... boing... they just bounce off indifferently and the same frothy mouth, glazed over look remains and the same regurgitated unsubstantiated crap keeps spewing forth.
We KNOW that these ridiculous laws are purely the result of a dodgy deal done by the NSW libs with the shooters to sell-off electricity and NOT based on science, facts or ANY sound reasons. It appears that O'farrell is even regretting it now (couldn't find the link to the story but its out there) which says something.
From all the credible sources (already listed above) we KNOW that it is not an effective means of feral animal control and in some cases may make the problem WORSE not to mention the dangers of unleashing gun-toting folks into our National Parks no matter how responsible some of them may be.Tony wrote:I am actually sick and tired of reading the BS you pro-hunters are pushing, so far none of it has any basis if facts, they are all just unsubstantiated opinions, surely you pro-hunters can do better than just attack me, which by the way does not worry me one bit
I'm with you Tony & I learned a long time ago not to argue with idiots because they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience (or bystanders won't be able to tell the difference) and you will never chage the mind of the righteous/those with vested interests, there minds are as closed as can be. No doubt pro-hunters will find their way here from their forums too, as seems to be the case if you check the number of posts made here by some and where they mostly appear, I say beware the trolls!
Sat 14 Jul, 2012 1:24 pm
Nuts wrote:This is all a bit harsh Tom, bordering on breaking forum rules?
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Joel wrote: Recreational hunting has no impact.
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Wed 18 Jul, 2012 11:17 am
gayet wrote:
I have been following this discussion with interest and the recent ABC report on "pig dogging"is bound to raise the issue of recreational hunting further in the public ire....
Wed 18 Jul, 2012 11:30 am
Nuts wrote:I agree, 'pig dogging' is pretty rough. Nearly as bad as hunting Wallabies with dogs (as happens here). Neither have much to do with plans for recreational hunting in parks.
Wed 18 Jul, 2012 11:49 am
Wed 18 Jul, 2012 12:58 pm
Neither have much to do with plans for recreational hunting in parks.
Wed 18 Jul, 2012 1:54 pm
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