Switching from Snoseal to Nikwax

[Strider]

Well my tub of Snoseal has finally run out, and I'm thinking of making the switch to Nikwax. However, can I Nikwax a pair of boots that have had a couple of years worth of Snoseal rubbed into them?

[Moondog55]

That's a good question, I hope you get a definitive answer as my big tub of Snowseal is almost empty as well

[Rob A]

Used Nikwax (tub I notice they dont disclose ingredients, and bottle) Dubbin and beeswax (maybe snowseal) interchangeably.
Dont think it matters much. Sure dubbins a bit different.
Dont use on suede? Yea right. After a few salt waters, anything is a better option than nothing.
If Im out for more than a day or two I take the tub with me and use it regularly.
Not sure how you get more than six months out of a pair of regularly used boots though. But the leather is the last thing to go.

[Strider]

Sure dubbins a bit different.

And has a reputation for rotting stitching...

[corvus]

I have used both over the years Nikwax in Summer and the Snoseal in winter with no problems,would never use Dubbin .
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[Moondog55]

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Not sure how you get more than six months out of a pair of regularly used boots though. But the leather is the last thing to go.

What? If I don't get at least 10 years out of my boots I feel robbed, but I do have separate winter, cusp and summer boots, don't wear the summer boots much

[Stibb]

How about using gel after Nikwax?

I cannot for my life get my boots waterproof (>30min) and I was told in a shop to try gel instead. Yes, I know how to apply the wax properly.
Any comments on gel?

[Strider]

In what environment are you using them Stibb? I find when used in snow they wet out no matter what after about that time also.

[Rob A]

Sure dubbins a bit different.

And has a reputation for rotting stitching...

Yea its a gem that one isnt it. Where this internet drivel starts is beyond me.

[Stibb]

In what environment are you using them Stibb?

Tasmania...
Wet snow...yeah I give them 10-15min tops
Rain, snow, puddles, sleet, creeks, wet grass...anything wet and sooner rather than later they wet out completely.

[corvus]

Sure dubbins a bit different.

And has a reputation for rotting stitching...

Yea its a gem that one isnt it. Where this internet drivel starts is beyond me.

This article may be of interest and made me think as I had heard/read about Dubbin long b4 we had access to the internet.

"It is sometimes said that DUBBIN rots stitching on leather articles. When applying DUBBIN you must simply make sure that you do not leave chunks of Dubbin in folds or seams of the leather - this will collect dust, trapped by the thick DUBBIN and the dust will then rot the stitching. I always polish a project that I have just applied DUBBIN to, with a soft brush - there seems to be some beeswax in DUBBIN that will cause the leather to have a natural shine when treated like this"
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[Rob A]

What about chunks of beeswax and chunks of Nikwax? Are you saying they do not do precisely the same thing? Come to that what about stuff forced into seams when walking through bogs independent of any kind of sealing? Part of that quote comes from one of the dubbin blurbs on correct application. It gets lifted for all sorts. What sort of thread is the dirt supposed to rot? Hemp? Cotton? Modern poly? Kevlar? Honestly, its a nonsense. Maybe some badly stitched product hangs its hat on that old excuse, but in twenty odd dead pairs of boots Ive yet to see the stitching go, other than get worn through.

[Strider]

Agreed Rob - it may just be that Dubbin was the most popular product in use when the issues began to occur.

It also sounds like its more a mechanical weakening of the stitching rather than a rot.

Apologies for perpetuating the rumour, but it's prompted some good discussion

[corvus]

Snip[quote="Rob A" but in twenty odd dead pairs of boots Ive yet to see the stitching go, other than get worn through.[/quote]

Wowsers are you talking about walking Boots or work Boots twenty odd pair of good walking boots at upwards to around $400.00 a pair
Must add the leather gave out b4 the stitching on all of my old boots.
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[north-north-west]

Never had either stitching or leather go on boots, it's always the soles that wear out first - and I've used everything from Dubbin and el cheapo vegetable oil to Snoseal & Nikwax to treat them.
Pity you can't get the jars or Nikwax anymore. It's all those silly sponge applicator bottles now. Not as good IMO, which is why I mainly stick with Snoseal these days.