Mon 04 Mar, 2013 11:47 am
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Mon 04 Mar, 2013 12:55 pm
ofuros wrote:Thanks for review jim.....& welcome back to the bushwalking forum.
Mon 04 Mar, 2013 1:03 pm
The pot supports extend out 6.5cm from the center of the burner.hunsta wrote:What is width of the grill when outstretched.
Mon 04 Mar, 2013 1:18 pm
hikin_jim wrote: The price is basically the same between the two, but I think the build quality and design of the Spider wins hands down.
Mon 04 Mar, 2013 1:25 pm
Do you mean in terms of the quality of cooking? I tried to address this issue in the blog post, but let me talk a little more about it here.Strider wrote:But what about that narrow burner?hikin_jim wrote: The price is basically the same between the two, but I think the build quality and design of the Spider wins hands down.
Mon 04 Mar, 2013 2:44 pm
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Mon 04 Mar, 2013 10:21 pm
Mark F wrote:As I am rapidly becoming a stove tragic I was seeing who was offering the Spider on eBay. I somehow clicked the buy button on one from Autter&Chauvin in Korea for $60 posted.
I have also been investigating units to drain part filled canisters into another part filled canister - they seem to be breeding in my gear closet and I feel an eradication session in order. The Japanese ones are expensive ($60) and the web site is not buyer friendly . I found in this same sellers store under the G-Works category a unit to drain one screw thread canister into another - no more part used canisters - about $28 posted.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/G-WORKS-CARTRIDGE-EXCHANGER-V2-GAS-SAVER-DURALUMIN-ANODIZING-SAVE-GAS-/140900110733?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ce4d118d#ht_7358wt_1041
Legal disclaimer. While I reserve the right to immolate myself in a manner of my own choice, I do not suggest that anybody else even contemplates the use of such a device.
Tue 05 Mar, 2013 8:58 pm
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Wed 06 Mar, 2013 5:12 am
Yes,KANANGRABOYD wrote:LOL - Monotauk Gnat!!????? - You mean Fire Maple, Macpac, Kathmandu et al.... I have one - awesome lil number ( espec in the Titanium version)
Wed 06 Mar, 2013 5:19 am
Thanks for your thoughts. To me, Chinese remote canister stoves are still a little crude. I'm not trying to "put down" anyone who buys one (I've thought about it myself), but I'm just a bit leery of being out in cold weather a day or so away from civilization and having one conk out. There have been a number of problems reported with them. I'm a lot more comfortable with a stove whose designer and builder has a good track record with such devices.Mark F wrote:I do have a 117 and a 118T. I am happy with them. Over summer the 118T got 20 days of use and performed flawlessly until the last day when it started to give a yellow flame. Just needed the jet cleaned. There was a small accumulation of dust on the sintered filter attached to the jet. I blew this off and it continues to work just fine. Whether this dust is from a canister or from the fuel line I have no idea but as long as you can remove the jet it doesn't seem to be a problem. The stove was mainly used un-inverted. When used inverted there was a small flare but not enough to cause any real concern. I have now pushed a bit of copper wire into the heater coil as suggested on bpl (only got it about half way). The flaring is now minimal but even unmodified I would still be happy to use it a tent vestibule.
I look forward to seeing what you come up with.Mark F wrote:Looking at the images of the Kovea I reckon a new set of supports should drop quite a bit off the weight. There seem to be other bits could handle a bit of lightening as well. Can't wait to have a play.
Thu 07 Mar, 2013 5:44 pm
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 9:20 am
You're welcome, and I think the Kovea Spider fits the bill quite nicely. The pre-heat loop on the Spider, unlike on some of the Chinese stoves, works well. It's a really nice design that is not only lighter than most of the stoves in this class but is also quite a bit more compact -- far more compact than its Chinese counterparts.Robert H wrote:Thanks for bringing this stove to my attention. I have been looking for a light weight remote canister stove with a pre-heat tube for a while now.
Fire Maple is the best of the lot when it comes to Chinese stove manufacturers. Their FMS-116t (the Heat Core, which is also as has been pointed out sold as the Monatauk Gnat and other names) is actually a very nice stove about which I have no real complaint (it could be more compact, but that's hardly a design or manufacturing flaw). But when it comes to their remote canister stoves, particularly those that might be used for inverted canister use, it is clear that they haven't quite grasped what it is that they're about. Their fuel line, though it does go through the flame, is improperly designed and does not succeed in 100% vaporization of the fuel. People are doing after market modifications to make the stoves work better -- better not well. No thank you, not for me, not for a stove I'll be depending upon in winter conditions.Robert H wrote:I know Fire Maple make some cool ones but I try and steer clear of Chinese manufacturing. I know Kovea is Korea but I personally still prefer it.
Let us hope so. If the Spider sells well, and it is my hope that it will, perhaps they will be encouraged to pursue the line further. Perhaps unfortunately, much of the world only understands the little lightweight mount-on-top canister stoves. I hope there's enough understanding of the benefits of a remote canister stove that demand will indeed be great enough to support further product improvement.Robert H wrote:Hopefully they are not too far away with something a smidge lighter
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 11:14 am
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 12:11 pm
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 1:07 pm
Yes, that's my chief complaint with the Windpro II -- it's awkward to pack.Nuts wrote:Looks like a good sturdy stove Jim, thanks for the review. We have some Windpro stoves and the later model. Always been pretty reliable though they seem to die with a breakdown inside the feed tube. Aside from that the only drawback they aren't the most compact, awkward shape when packed.
The Kovea Spider is the most compact remote canister stove I know about although I must admit that I haven't seen the Primus Express Spider first hand.Nuts wrote:I'm, personally, looking for a winter stove but the legs appear the part to make these not a lot smaller. I'll do some reading but can you suggest the most compact remote can stove, is there anything commercially available set low enough to use in my 800ml caldera setup and pack inside the pot (for eg) (Apologies, i'll bring it back on topic if there's no easy answer : ))
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 3:27 pm
Nuts wrote:I'm, personally, looking for a winter stove but the legs appear the part to make these not a lot smaller.
Fri 08 Mar, 2013 3:57 pm
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Sat 09 Mar, 2013 2:49 am
I am not a stove tragic. There's a very good reason that I have each and every one of my stoves, a reason I will be most happy to explain to you... just as soon as I figure out what it is.etrangere wrote:Mr Jim good to see you back. Being a fellow stove tragic I always enjoy your reviews.
An astute observation. The only obvious difference is that the mesh inside the burner head is a bit finer on the Supalite.etrangere wrote:Would I be correct in saying the kovea spider is just the same burner head as the kovea ultralite titanium just placed on a different stand and connected to a remote hose??
Sat 09 Mar, 2013 2:29 pm
Nuts wrote:Hi Jim/Mark.
I was mainly looking for something that would be small enough to work under the caldera, given that the support point for canister top stoves (eg gnat) is focused on one small area and then is sturdy enough on even a small canister width I would have thought someone would have made a stove, lower, with narrower legs and pot arms, maybe at the expense of BTU's. Y'know for the Caldera army swapping from summer alcohol use:
Sun 10 Mar, 2013 9:51 am
Mon 11 Mar, 2013 1:54 pm
Yes, a bigger pot might work better with the Spider.Nuts wrote:hmmm, looks like a good option, works well, a good size for those larger pots. Mine is a fair bit smaller Jim, I doubt any remote stove would be small enough from the factory from the ones iv'e seen. The spider would be nice, perhaps i'd be better off with a larger cone or just making a windshield, probably a bigger pot as even a shield around the spider would leave a big gap around my pot.
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