Tarkine mining

[geoskid]

Wow, that's scary

Looks criminal to me or maybe lefty spin? I'm sure the Alex Schapp wasn't lying, I mean why would he!!??

A wise man once said (recently (in another thread (I'm going for the record here (what do you reckon Nuts - one more (OK- one more ))))) "A more conservative suggestion in an online forum might be wiser".
And I tend to agree - what do you reckon SBS?

Ok - I'm just havig fun , but you get my drift ( I hope (maybe not (who cares )))

[Nuts]

Well, Alex probably does? ( )

It looks like what one would expect a tailings dam spill to look like?
The damage it represents isn't really clear, I agree someone should be readily accountable and give an account (without any infectious BS).

[Nuts]

THE SAVAGE RIVER
Tuesday 26th March at 7.30 pm (60 minutes) Southern Cross

[frenchy_84]

This is certainly a worry, particularly with 2 conflicting stories regarding the magnitude of the "event", and serious questions need to be asked if it is found that Senior members of the EPA have been misleading. SBS says that the EPA is a toothless tiger, I don't know, perhaps its my naivety but i don't think this is the case, they are after all a government department in charge of environmental protection. Along way back in this discussion, Sthughes made the comment that his experience of mining, that mining companies place are far greater emphasis on health, safety and the environment (which in my experience is correct) however SBS also correctly states that a mining companies priorities are 1st profit, 2nd profit and 3rd profit. However it is thru this mechanism that HSE are given top priority, it is thru legislation and enforcement by government departments that any breaches of either are to costly for the company to ignore. This is most definitely the case in mining for health and safety and environment is closing catching up.

[Strider]

Well especially when they say "may" so many times, whereas just asking around or investigating down river would have given them a definitive answer...

And those investigations down river would take years of data collection and research, if any kind of scientific method was employed.

[Strider]

He also said this;

"This may present a risk to local aquatic ecology in the longer term if sediment is deposited in the river in large enough quantities and becomes acidic," he said.

Mr Schaap's statement is scientifically valid if you ask me. He (or anyone else) is not in a position to provide an assessment of the situation without adequate research and analysis.

[stepbystep]

He also said this;

"This may present a risk to local aquatic ecology in the longer term if sediment is deposited in the river in large enough quantities and becomes acidic," he said.

Mr Schaap's statement is scientifically valid if you ask me. He (or anyone else) is not in a position to provide an assessment of the situation without adequate research and analysis.

The BIG question is, could the mine not have sent people downstream instantly to analyse the spill? If the spill was as large as the only evidence we've seen demonstrates then they knew damn well it was a large spill.

[Grindelwalddave]

There is a follow up article now

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/we ... g-like-it/

Still no media interest locally. Southern Cross are airing an interestingly timed documentary about Savage River this week though.

[sthughes]

There is a follow up article now

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/we ... g-like-it/

From that article:

One local said that another long-time local had told him....

Well if that aint irrefutable evidence I don't know what is!

[theMISSIONARY]

There is a follow up article now

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/we ... g-like-it/

Still no media interest locally. Southern Cross are airing an interestingly timed documentary about Savage River this week though.

Tuesday 7:30pm

[pazzar]

So Mt Lindsay is going to be stripped within a decade..... Sustainable much??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-25/g ... ne/4591936


On another note, Tony Burke has given the go-ahead for the Tarkine tourist road. Where does he actually stand with all this?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/g ... ection=tas

[theMISSIONARY]

So Mt Lindsay is going to be stripped within a decade..... Sustainable much??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-25/g ... ne/4591936

hmm that's just a heap of opining with no facts in it

On another note, Tony Burke has given the go-ahead for the Tarkine tourist road. Where does he actually stand with all this?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/g ... ection=tas

any map of were it is to go? or even a start finish point?

[pazzar]

So Mt Lindsay is going to be stripped within a decade..... Sustainable much??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-25/g ... ne/4591936

hmm that's just a heap of opining with no facts in it

On another note, Tony Burke has given the go-ahead for the Tarkine tourist road. Where does he actually stand with all this?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/g ... ection=tas

any map of were it is to go? or even a start finish point?

Well yes, obviously it is not a draft management plan or anything like that, but surely if the government is wanting to secure long term benefits from mining the area, even speculation of a 10 year occupancy isn't good enough. Imagine the impact on places like Tullah if it does only last 10 years - they've already seen one population exodus after a slump in the industry. I'd hate to see that happen again.

I think a long time ago the road proposal was published, would have to sift through google to find it now. It starts from Preolenna I think, using mostly existing roads.

[corvus]

pazzar,
Just a comment, Tullah was a Hydro Village just like Gowrie Park and the others, not custom built for mining,need to get the facts correct in an emotive thread like this please.
corvus

[theMISSIONARY]

So Mt Lindsay is going to be stripped within a decade..... Sustainable much??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-25/g ... ne/4591936

hmm that's just a heap of opining with no facts in it

On another note, Tony Burke has given the go-ahead for the Tarkine tourist road. Where does he actually stand with all this?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-27/g ... ection=tas

any map of were it is to go? or even a start finish point?

Well yes, obviously it is not a draft management plan or anything like that, but surely if the government is wanting to secure long term benefits from mining the area, even speculation of a 10 year occupancy isn't good enough. Imagine the impact on places like Tullah if it does only last 10 years - they've already seen one population exodus after a slump in the industry. I'd hate to see that happen again.

I think a long time ago the road proposal was published, would have to sift through google to find it now. It starts from Preolenna I think, using mostly existing roads.

i found a map(or should say one was found for me on another forum) its the one they yapped on about from Arthurs river over to the milkshakes direction.....its only going to ruin dirt roads and tracks

as for the mining its the Nature of the beast....another way of looking at it in ten years time there will be some nice cheap house down there

[norts]

Corvus I dont think that is right
"Just a comment, Tullah was a Hydro Village just like Gowrie Park and the others, not custom built for mining,need to get the facts correct in an emotive thread like this please."

Tullah was originaly Mount Farrell as per Wikapedia( alright Wikipedia has been know to be wrong
"The town is roughly divided into two "suburbs", an older northern and a younger, more planned out southern. the northern half was originally a mining town called Mount Farrell, established in year 1900 after silver lead ore was discovered in the area.[2]
Mount Farrell Post Office opened on 1 April 1900 and was renamed Tullah in 1910"

Hydro didnt really start using Tullah until about 1973

Roger

[corvus]

G'day Norts,
Thank you for your historical input however the Tullah pazzar was talking about is the Hydro Village not an Historic mine site settlement.
Who built the infrastructure in Tullah ? ,shops, sports stadium ,footy ground ,waste disposal center ,perhaps even the lakeside chalet,most certainly not the original miners (they may have been responsible for the pub ) so I stand by my comments and knowledge since I did business down there all those years ago,I actually sold them wind up Facit calculators that the engineers could use in the field
corvus

[corvus]

Hydro still have large presence there and the old " North Tullah "is nice with some nice vintage houses and the "wee georgie wood"train
corvus

[norts]

Well I have to disagree Corvus, Tullah had been around along time before Hydro improved it.
I agree that it was pretty derelict before Hydro took it over. That just means that there has been a few population fluctuations in its history.
So it wasnt custom built for Hydro, they improved it, they didnt start a town from scratch like Strathgordon etc.
Just trying to get the fact right here

Roger

[corvus]

Well I have to disagree Corvus, Tullah had been around along time before Hydro improved it.
I agree that it was pretty derelict before Hydro took it over. That just means that there has been a few population fluctuations in its history.
So it wasnt custom built for Hydro, they improved it, they didnt start a town from scratch like Strathgordon etc.
Just trying to get the fact right here

Roger

What exactly did it have before the Hydro Village a few wee houses and not much else ok I will agree to disagree and there was
pub there so it must have been "established " however as you may well know Tullah south of the pub was a brand new village and much as I respect your input I suspect you are tending towards semantics to suggest that Tullah was an important domicile or center of commerce .

[norts]

I did not say anything about being a centre of commerce or important domicile. I thought it was wrong to imply in your post that Hydro created Tullah.
I took exception to you correcting Pazzar with a statement that wasnt correct, Tullah was a mining town before it was a Hydro village.

Roger

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[corvus]

No need to take exception to known facts ,Tullah was a dot on the map before the Hyrdo Dams and a backwater which mine closed down that caused pazzars decline
corvus

[Nuts]

Somehow I can't picture the blasting crew serving canapés to tourists Lol In fact contrast the income from a single such mine I'd guess would make that from even our most popular parks seem a pittance. Many years away.

Anyhow..for those interested Most of the initial EPA report at Savage R is the same as that covered in their news page: www.epa.tas.gov.au/epa/

I doubt the raw data would be published:

http://www.dpipwe.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/ ... COK-5RR77L ?

[norts]

I am not arguing about the decline, I am arguing about your statement that it was "Hydro village and not custom built for mining". Tullah was created as a mining village,long before Hydro, it declined and then was revived by Hydro.
As you said you need to get the facts correct in an emotive thread like this.
I am not arguing about Tarkine mining, I dont have an opinion on this area as I dont have enough facts on it. I am just arguing about Tullah and it being a mining settlement well before it was a Hydro village.
I dont usually get involved in the more contentious threads but do enjoy reading them as long as they dont go around in circles, and this little side issue has definitely started curving. I dont want to bore anyone with this side issue so will refrain from anymore comments on Tullah.
Corvus we may have to have a bit more discussion at the next Anniversary walk.
Roger

[pazzar]

pazzar,
Just a comment, Tullah was a Hydro Village just like Gowrie Park and the others, not custom built for mining,need to get the facts correct in an emotive thread like this please.
corvus

I do apologise for not clarifying earlier, but I was referring to Tullah as a township in a similar vein to Williamsford and Luina, both which were established first as mining communities but are now ghost towns. I definitely agree that Hydro made Tullah what it is today, but even still, it isn't what it used to be, you can't argue that. With the increase of technology, Hydro don't need the same number of workers it once did. Now that mines are going to be established though, surely the demand for permanent residents will increase. It is the clearing of land and the short turn around that has me worried. What effect will that have on the community and the surrounding environment? The past is really irrelevant, except for the fact that it would be the first exodus out of Tullah - it could have a major effect on the community.

[corvus]

snip
Corvus we may have to have a bit more discussion at the next Anniversary walk.

Roger

Look forward to catching up with you again
corvus

[stepbystep]

Isn't it interesting that when decisions are taken away from politicians the environment actually stands a chance.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news ... 2q3ae.html

[gayet]

And I was just about to post the link from the ABC.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-17/court-decides-tarkine-mine27s-fate/4825230
so I did anyway...

I think its great news. Well done to all involved.

[frenchy_84]

It just makes a mockery of the approval process. Regardless of the outcome (even it was the opposite situation) what's the point of an approval process if it can be over turned in court. Why would anyone want to invest in Tasmania when they got thru the process and then it's overturned in court. Your never going to please everyone so your always going to get these small interest groups ready to to take it court. Look at the forest peace deal, u have major in environment groups prepared to negotiate to find an outcome, yet there is one group is not prepared to negotiate that threatens to derail it all.

[stepbystep]

Separation of powers Frenchy, it's a wonderful thing.

Burke's decision was politically motivated as was the approval process. Oh well, sorry for the mining industry, I reckon they'll get another opportunity.
*&%$#! stoked for those that are looking long term though.

In pro job/development news there's this which should give a shot in the arm to the NE
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/20 ... ravel.html

and I see Sumich's are expanding their agriculture investment in the NW, much better use of land imho