Mid Layer

[Moondog55]

Well the shops won't tell you because they want to sell you an insulated jacket.
Also knowledge gets forgotten unless passed on. But the knowledge is there as we have always donned an outer protective layer; in the last few decades that layer has been the outer storm parka, when I was a tadpole tho Paddys sold a lightweight japara windshirt, simple pullover with attached hood.

Also it was common to wear a cotton shirt in winter, but old fashioned cotton shirts were of quite heavy, tightly woven fabric that were in themselves windproof, so the layering was in effect the same
Woollen undershirt/windproof cotton shirt/ woollen jumper / heavy woollen bush shirt them the oilskin on top, the Paddys windproof was worn over the jumper [ that is; it was if you were rich and could afford one] we forget that historically clothing has never been cheaper or more affordable or more effective.
All I can say is give it a try and make your own decision based on your own experience.
I have been sitting on a parcel of ultra lightweight EPIC fabric for over 2 years now to make my own windshirts, maybe for next winter

[DannyS]

Well the shops won't tell you because they want to sell you an insulated jacket.
Also knowledge gets forgotten unless passed on. But the knowledge is there as we have always donned an outer protective layer; in the last few decades that layer has been the outer storm parka, when I was a tadpole tho Paddys sold a lightweight japara windshirt, simple pullover with attached hood.

Also it was common to wear a cotton shirt in winter, but old fashioned cotton shirts were of quite heavy, tightly woven fabric that were in themselves windproof, so the layering was in effect the same
Woollen undershirt/windproof cotton shirt/ woollen jumper / heavy woollen bush shirt them the oilskin on top, the Paddys windproof was worn over the jumper [ that is; it was if you were rich and could afford one] we forget that historically clothing has never been cheaper or more affordable or more effective.
All I can say is give it a try and make your own decision based on your own experience.
I have been sitting on a parcel of ultra lightweight EPIC fabric for over 2 years now to make my own windshirts, maybe for next winter

Cheers Moondog55, I'll give it a go. I agree with you, a lot of times I forgo my own experimenting and the possibility of learning something first hand for someone else's regurgitated information. Not that we shouldn't respect others wisdom, but we should be discerning as to what is just heard and repeated and that which is genuine experience.
Thanks

[Moondog55]

I am happy to give my opinions, just don't forget that our opinions are based on personal experience. My experience will never be exactly the same as anybody elses and my own opinions can change depending on how in touch with "State of the Art " I am.
I reckon I'm running about a generation behind at the moment.
Let every-one know how you go as I will be shopping for new midlayers next year and may need to modify my short list

[DannyS]

I am happy to give my opinions, just don't forget that our opinions are based on personal experience. My experience will never be exactly the same as anybody elses and my own opinions can change depending on how in touch with "State of the Art " I am.
I reckon I'm running about a generation behind at the moment.
Let every-one know how you go as I will be shopping for new midlayers next year and may need to modify my short list

Will do, cheers!

[Onestepmore]

Also have a look at the Marmot Driclimb wndshirt - its inexpensive, weighs 250g.
Hubby has one, very versatile. Soft enough to wear alone if needed, great for layering especially, as discussed above, the wind resistance traps in the warm air.
There are some good YouTube reviews
http://www.campsaver.com/driclime-winds ... viewHeader

[DannyS]

Also have a look at the Marmot Driclimb wndshirt - its inexpensive, weighs 250g.
Hubby has one, very versatile. Soft enough to wear alone if needed, great for layering especially, as discussed above, the wind resistance traps in the warm air.
There are some good YouTube reviews
http://www.campsaver.com/driclime-winds ... viewHeader

I haven't looked at this yet, would you say it was suitable as a mid layer?

[wayno]

your average midlayer combined with a shell would work out warmer. its go a lining but its not a microfleece, they give it their own name but its the kid of lining you often find in glooves or around collars...

[DannyS]

your average midlayer combined with a shell would work out warmer. its go a lining but its not a microfleece, they give it their own name but its the kid of lining you often find in glooves or around collars...

Yeah I just had a quick look and was wondering, I think I'm going to give the montane Fury a go. I've read that it's slightly warmer than a 100 weight but lighter than your general mid weight jackets, I think it could fit the bill. I also purchased the Featherlight smock so I'm hoping in combination they should provide good versatility.
Cheers Wayno,
Danny

[wayno]

well its 165gm /m2

a hundred weight being 100gm/m2 so it should be a bit warmer...