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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Sun 01 Sep, 2013 9:08 pm

Mark F wrote:The Petzl software works perfectly well under Windows 7.

Mark I ended up going with your suggestion of the Petzl E+Lite, at 27grams it gives off very good light, more than enough for around camp and is plenty enough for 3 season use. It's a little beauty :)

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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 10:57 am

DannyS wrote:
Mark F wrote:The Petzl software works perfectly well under Windows 7.

Mark I ended up going with your suggestion of the Petzl E+Lite, at 27grams it gives off very good light, more than enough for around camp and is plenty enough for 3 season use. It's a little beauty :)

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I've found the e+lite to be a little underpowered after a few hours use, but each to their own.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 11:12 am

Joomy wrote:
DannyS wrote:
Mark F wrote:The Petzl software works perfectly well under Windows 7.

Mark I ended up going with your suggestion of the Petzl E+Lite, at 27grams it gives off very good light, more than enough for around camp and is plenty enough for 3 season use. It's a little beauty :)

Cheers

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I've found the e+lite to be a little underpowered after a few hours use, but each to their own.

I haven't used it out on the track yet, I'll be taking it with me next week. Good to know, I'll take a spare set of batteries.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby GPSGuided » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 11:19 am

DannyS wrote:Mark I ended up going with your suggestion of the Petzl E+Lite, at 27grams it gives off very good light, more than enough for around camp and is plenty enough for 3 season use. It's a little beauty :)

Wow! That's a major spec change from a Zebralight.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 11:34 am

GPSGuided wrote:
DannyS wrote:Mark I ended up going with your suggestion of the Petzl E+Lite, at 27grams it gives off very good light, more than enough for around camp and is plenty enough for 3 season use. It's a little beauty :)

Wow! That's a major spec change from a Zebralight.

Yeah like I said, I'm going hiking for a month or so next week. I couldn't find a reasonable way to get the zebralight here in time so I went for the lightest option I could find. No point in buying two similar products.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 12:38 pm

A month! Awesome. I would take more than one spare set! Like a set per week at least.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 12:57 pm

Joomy wrote:A month! Awesome. I would take more than one spare set! Like a set per week at least.

Really! It's that hard on batteries? I'll have to buy some more and pack them in with my food drops. I thought this little lamp is a bit too good to be true, I put it on at night and was really surprised at it's brightness. I guess I'll run it on low as much as possible and hopefully extend the battery life a little. The way the season is now I'll only need it a little each evening, anyway thanks for the heads up and I'll send batteries on ahead to be safe.

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Re: Headlamp

Postby ULWalkingPhil » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 1:12 pm

I use a Petzl elite.

The batteries are so light, you can carry heaps of spares as I did the first time I taken the elite with me on a one week bush-walk. I did not require to use any spare batteries. One set of batteries easily lasted me the week.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 1:17 pm

DannyS wrote:
Joomy wrote:A month! Awesome. I would take more than one spare set! Like a set per week at least.

Really! It's that hard on batteries? I'll have to buy some more and pack them in with my food drops. I thought this little lamp is a bit too good to be true, I put it on at night and was really surprised at it's brightness. I guess I'll run it on low as much as possible and hopefully extend the battery life a little. The way the season is now I'll only need it a little each evening, anyway thanks for the heads up and I'll send batteries on ahead to be safe.

Don't get me wrong it's a great little light but I used it on about 3 overnight trips and by the 3rd night the light was a little dim for cooking etc.. Then again that was winter in and around ACT so dark by 5pm and I wasn't trying to preserve the batteries at all. Probably used it for an hour or more each night on medium or high.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 1:28 pm

Joomy wrote:
DannyS wrote:
Joomy wrote:A month! Awesome. I would take more than one spare set! Like a set per week at least.

Really! It's that hard on batteries? I'll have to buy some more and pack them in with my food drops. I thought this little lamp is a bit too good to be true, I put it on at night and was really surprised at it's brightness. I guess I'll run it on low as much as possible and hopefully extend the battery life a little. The way the season is now I'll only need it a little each evening, anyway thanks for the heads up and I'll send batteries on ahead to be safe.

Don't get me wrong it's a great little light but I used it on about 3 overnight trips and by the 3rd night the light was a little dim for cooking etc.. Then again that was winter in and around ACT so dark by 5pm and I wasn't trying to preserve the batteries at all. Probably used it for an hour or more each night on medium or high.

Good to know, thanks!
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Lophophaps » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 2:41 pm

Mark F wrote:The Petzl software works perfectly well under Windows 7.


Which hut has seven windows? I heard that one year it was very fine, resulting in the OLT becoming DOS - Dry Overland Slog.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 4:18 pm

26 lumens should be just enough for walking at night, but you will probably find it too bright for around camp.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby DannyS » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 4:34 pm

Strider wrote:26 lumens should be just enough for walking at night, but you will probably find it too bright for around camp.

Yeah I think your right, I turned it on inside the house to get an idea of how bright it was and found it to be more than you would need for around camp on the brightest setting.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby nq111 » Mon 02 Sep, 2013 6:13 pm

The red light is really nice for around camp - saves the night vision.

But yeah, it does lose power quickly. The zebralight is different product entirely - i think your logic on getting this (differentiate and get the zebralight later) is spot on.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:33 am

nq111 wrote:The zebralight is different product entirely - i think your logic on getting this (differentiate and get the zebralight later) is spot on.

+1

I'm tempted to get an e+Lite now for the same reasons, but my wife would kill me!
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Lophophaps » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 1:23 pm

Edited.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby icefest » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:15 pm

Regarding the e-lite
I had a quick look at the datasheet, and have attached it for your convince.
I can see what you mean with the short battery life.
Incredible weight for an emergency light. Would be perfect for daytrips and overnighters.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby dannnnn » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:17 pm

i have a byte, and i don't like it - sometimes it doesn't work with certain batteries for an unknown reason. the batteries have a full charge, but the byte seems to think one of them is flat. put them in another light/whatever and they are fine. no idea what it is, but i have been trapped a few times when the byte was my only light. i now only take it along as a secondary/wife light.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:23 pm

icefest wrote:Regarding the e-lite
I had a quick look at the datasheet, and have attached it for your convince.
I can see what you mean with the short battery life.
Incredible weight for an emergency light. Would be perfect for daytrips and overnighters.
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Nothing short about that battery life!
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Re: Headlamp

Postby icefest » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:49 pm

Strider wrote:Nothing short about that battery life!


For cooking and moving around camp it is fine.
On the other hand I'd prefer being able to see further than 10m if I wake up at night and need to go to the toilet.

On the other hand, if you keep a spare battery taped to the torch for emergencies, then you'll be fine.

EDIT: maybe I'll be a convert when I switch to EUL
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Tue 03 Sep, 2013 9:59 pm

icefest wrote:
Strider wrote:Nothing short about that battery life!

I'd prefer being able to see further than 10m if I wake up at night and need to go to the toilet.

No idea why. However, the 29m beam should be perfectly sufficient.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 4:36 pm

Strider wrote:
icefest wrote:
Strider wrote:Nothing short about that battery life!

I'd prefer being able to see further than 10m if I wake up at night and need to go to the toilet.

No idea why. However, the 29m beam should be perfectly sufficient.

29m is a very vague claim. Without looking at Petzl's website cause I'm lazy I assume it means 29m is the very limit of the throw, not a measure of what the "useful" range of the light is (also a vague concept). So when it says "6m at 10hrs" in my experience that's more like 1m of good light and 5m of barely useful light. Sufficient to cook and read with but not much else.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 5:20 pm

Strider wrote:
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Strider wrote:Nothing short about that battery life!

I'd prefer being able to see further than 10m if I wake up at night and need to go to the toilet.

No idea why. However, the 29m beam should be perfectly sufficient.

I can think of a few reasons. 1) seeing the ground ahead of you clearly so you don't fall off a cliff, 2) seeing where a good place to go is, so you don't end up going on the track or next to someone's tent, etc.

Also keep in mind that being unregulated the brightness will diminish exponentially over time. So it'll be 26 lumens for about 1 second and then sharply decrease in brightness, as is shown by the chart above. So when they say 29m that's obviously at 26 lumens, and when they say 10m that indicates the output is roughly 9 lumens, so not very bright at all by any standards.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby GPSGuided » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 5:45 pm

To address a question on postal transit time on Zebralight's free delivery service.

Order a H502d on 23/8 and have just picked it up from the post office today ie. Exactly 14 days, from order to delivery in Sydney. Note also the order was placed online on a Friday and was shipped the following Monday. So possibly, if ordered earlier in the week, it could have shipped the next day, potentially saving 2 days in the process.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 5:51 pm

Cliff? Are you walking or riding a motorbike???
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Joomy » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 6:00 pm

GPSGuided wrote:To address a question on postal transit time on Zebralight's free delivery service.

Order a H502d on 23/8 and have just picked it up from the post office today ie. Exactly 14 days, from order to delivery in Sydney. Note also the order was placed online on a Friday and was shipped the following Monday. So possibly, if ordered earlier in the week, it could have shipped the next day, potentially saving 2 days in the process.

My only reservation with the 502 series is the extremely floody beam. 120 degrees is massive and maybe not so suited to camping? Not sure.

Strider wrote:Cliff? Are you walking or riding a motorbike???

Hehe, I was being a little facetious but you know what I mean. On rough, maybe slippery, maybe loose terrain more light is better, especially if you're half asleep.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 6:22 pm

I would expect the H502 to be more suited to camping than the H51F, due to being better up close, but perhaps not as well suited to walking.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby GPSGuided » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 10:04 pm

Joomy wrote:My only reservation with the 502 series is the extremely floody beam. 120 degrees is massive and maybe not so suited to camping? Not sure.

I was just trying it out around the house and yard. The 120 deg certainly gave nearly full visual FOV coverage and is very even. I think it's very good for general duties around camp and close up work. For walks, like bike lighting setup, I would like a good flood for close in and supplemented by a powerful spot beam into the distance, a hand torch. Personal preference I'd say.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 10:09 pm

GPSGuided wrote:I would like a good flood for close in and supplemented by a powerful spot beam into the distance

I reckon the H51F is about 90% of the way towards this. Good distance, but relinquishes a sensible amount of throw as a trade off for good flood in close.
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Re: Headlamp

Postby Strider » Fri 06 Sep, 2013 10:17 pm

Strider wrote:
GPSGuided wrote:I would like a good flood for close in and supplemented by a powerful spot beam into the distance

I reckon the H51F is about 90% of the way towards this. Good distance, but relinquishes a sensible amount of throw as a trade off for good flood in close.

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