newhue wrote:Does anybody believe the germans and emissions after VW lol. That's only 14 years away and it's predicted EV will here in a big way in 10. I had dreams the new Defender would be electric, but I don't think LR are into that type of technology. Well not yet. If you bring this stuff up on a 4x4 forum, you may as well talk to a wall. A pretty agro wall at that, *&^%$#! off you *&%$#! greenie is a common reply. Obviously keen nature observers in that camp, and they will tell you how they love nature, but GW just doesn't appear to apply to them.
I think it's really not the consumer holding it up though. I have spotted several nissan hybrids on the road along with a fair few toyota camrys. Though not EV, they are a reasonable bridging technology, but sadly double the price of the standard old school equivalent in that model. Most companies make them, but don't actively advertise them. It's like no company wants to be the greenie in the market. Governments are asleep as usual. Not promoting them, no incentives to buy them though that should not really be necessary. However a discount on rego or something would not be unwelcome and gets people talking and considering.
Wife has just done 637km on 26lt, 4.08lt /100 around town. Not bad and far better than her old 8lt/100 4 cylinder.
GPSGuided wrote:
An all EV future for Australia? We better first work out how to provision our baseload in the country. Will solar/wind/thermal adequately provide the additional baseload required with all the additional EVs on the road? With a lack of diversity in the mode of energy, a repeat of SA's recent electricity outage would be devastating.
GPSGuided wrote:Why not? The VW incident is limited to those specific individuals and hardly an event that should be used to stain all Germans.
An all EV future for Australia? We better first work out how to provision our baseload in the country. Will solar/wind/thermal adequately provide the additional baseload required with all the additional EVs on the road? With a lack of diversity in the mode of energy, a repeat of SA's recent electricity outage would be devastating.
climberman wrote:newhue wrote:Does anybody believe the germans and emissions after VW lol. That's only 14 years away and it's predicted EV will here in a big way in 10. I had dreams the new Defender would be electric, but I don't think LR are into that type of technology. Well not yet. If you bring this stuff up on a 4x4 forum, you may as well talk to a wall. A pretty agro wall at that, *&^%$#! off you *&%$#! greenie is a common reply. Obviously keen nature observers in that camp, and they will tell you how they love nature, but GW just doesn't appear to apply to them.
I think it's really not the consumer holding it up though. I have spotted several nissan hybrids on the road along with a fair few toyota camrys. Though not EV, they are a reasonable bridging technology, but sadly double the price of the standard old school equivalent in that model. Most companies make them, but don't actively advertise them. It's like no company wants to be the greenie in the market. Governments are asleep as usual. Not promoting them, no incentives to buy them though that should not really be necessary. However a discount on rego or something would not be unwelcome and gets people talking and considering.
Wife has just done 637km on 26lt, 4.08lt /100 around town. Not bad and far better than her old 8lt/100 4 cylinder.
BMW are advertising their hybrids on tele (I think I saw it on Tele, it's only been on once or twice this year, so could have been online / streaming)
GPSGuided wrote:Yep, EV technology will dramatically improve with all the investments being poured at the moment. So don't be surprised if those diesel 4x4 get replaced by EVs. Do bear in mind that electric motors have great torque production, exactly what those diesel 4x4 need i.e. Perfect replacement technology.
Mark F wrote:The mention of bio fuels seems to missing. We already have ethanol in petrol and to a far lesser extent biodiesel. For many rural users biofuels may be the appropriate technology. I am aware that too much biomass, especially edible biomass being used for fuels creates other problems but restricting it to rural usage rather than urban may be appropriate.
Xplora, better make friends with you local fish and chip shop.
Really the issue is about the length of the carbon cycle. Fossil fuels (fossil says it all) have a carbon cycle of millions of years whereas biofuels have a carbon cycle of less than a decade and more like one year.
mark electric wrote:Electric car would be a positive solution for our country.
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