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Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Sat 28 Nov, 2009 9:36 pm

OK, so over the last 20 odd years iv'e personally owned 4 goretex jackets of various brands, most recently one thats a 'paclite' shell with reinforced shoulders. In that time iv'e also had the chance to observe many other coats made with one of the gore fabrics. Iv'e read (and probably mostly forgotten) many opinions on the types of fabric as well as gore itself.

If this is 'experience' then it more adds up to a general 'feeling' about goretex coats and their performance rather than any conclusions based on 'black and white' facts or anything measurable.

To me, goretex coats have an 'ideal' operating range (that may be quite narrow) of temperature and humidity and outside that you will eventually, inevitably end up damp....

In other words, I pretty much assume that, by the end of a day (at anything but snail pace), I need to be ready for a quick change. Iv'e always assumed some was condensation, some 'ingress' around collars/hood though always suspected that they also just get generally damp 'through'...

Before I waffle further:

Does anyone have any strong opinions on Goretex performance or the different fabrics (paclite, proshell, xcr etc) that are/have been produced?

Has anyone found that they are Always dry at the end of the day? (technique contribute?)

Anyone feel that the fabric eventually lets moisture through at the pressure points (shoulders, waist)?
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby blacksheep » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 6:55 am

Crikey- you give the Dinosaur comment, then start a thread about Gore-tex... :)
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 7:20 am

I had to get your attention somehow :D (no offence, iv'e not personally owned much of your gear but have met many satisfied customers (in the surgeons waiting room... no, no, sorry... still kidding :lol: ))

Iv'e seen those US tests before for 'breathability'. I'd like to give event a go, probably will in the next year or two, would just like to see a few more reviews and really need to get a bit more life from the goretex. We have some jackets that have had little use and just let a group down big time last week. They seem to have gone from waterproof to not so very quickly. I think I may need to reapply the DWR finish (any tips on the best product for the job?).
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby blacksheep » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 7:41 am

the Grangers is a good product, as is Nikwax. Make sure the jkts are nice and clean before you apply them
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 5:30 pm

Thanks Cam. I can get Nikwax TX Direct locally. A 'wash-in' product (?) Do you think it is a 'stop-gap', does it need reapplying often. We'll likely wash the coats several times over summer (perhaps this is why they need treatment so soon? They have perhaps 10 weeks use each and 7/8 washes on them).
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Maelgwn » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 7:29 pm

Though the wash in products say they are ok for Goretex, the sprays are better because you only want the water repellency on the outside (not the inside ... der). Nikwax make one in a spray version.

I am no expert but would suggest that washing would wear the jackets much quicker than the use. At a guess, I wash mine every few months but that really counts as 2 -3 weeks use and whole bunch of being carried around.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby corvus » Mon 30 Nov, 2009 8:03 pm

For what it is worth I have used a Wash in product with only reasonable results and the Revivex spray on with good results on my Goretex Coat which must be getting on for ten years old now and yes it does need to be clean (Lux flakes for me) prior to treatment.
The Revivex is an expensive product but it does seem to work better than the others I have tried and if doing in bulk could be a pain if you were pressed for time however if it does the job for you it will mean happier clients.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Ent » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 9:25 am

Interesting thread on yet again the merits of breathable fabrics. First on the washing issue I decided to follow the manufacturers advice and wash the jacket and the pants as I would for any piece of clothing (but with special washing liquid) and the result has been excellent beading on the jacket plus what appears to be greater comfort. Been through the washing machine and dryer over ten times and no even an indication of a loss of beading. Did notice on a very scrubby walks that the jacket got soaked and stopped beading while in open country the water beads well. Might be something in the plants or it was just a much wetter day :shock:

On materials I have Gore-tex Pro Shell Paddy Pallin Vista jacket and it ticks all the boxes for a Tassie bushwalking jacket. By that long (but still not long enough for me) to avoid been a bum freezer, correctly placed pockets (amazing how many pockets in other clothing forget that you will be wearing a pack), fit that is loose enough but not baggy and the tough enough to handle slides down rugged ground as well as arguments with most types of scrub. What I have seen of say Event jackets is designs best suited for "hanging the half pipe" or chatting up the snow bunnies rather than serious walking. The pants are Pac-lite Paddy Pallin strategically reinforced with Pro materials in critical areas and are simply great but with one major issue. Please PP consider braces as without a very expensive pair of Sthil clip on braces I would have given up wearing them as surprise surprise losing weight means what fitted at the start of a walk becomes half way through like trendy crack showing jeans that are the current rage.

As for other materials, Chamelon and as such I wasted an enormous amount of money being told by many shops that such materials are as good or better than Gore-tex. What a load of rubbish I found. Sort of sours my opinion of shop advice and does sort out the true walkers from the show boats. As for Event no way would I shell out the money on garment designed such as they are at the moment and I have strong doubts over the outer shell layer strength. Basically Event in my opinion no ruggised for bushwalking in Tassie so keep it for the snow fields.

Now on breath-ability of Gore-tex. Nuts I agree that there is a range where it works great and a range where it works not nearly as well. Freezing cold day and it is brilliant but in hot (above 14 degrees for this Tasmanian :D ) humid rain working hard up a climb and unless fending of wind it would be better to accept your shirt and shorts getting wet from rain rather than sweating in a jacket. I like the DWR pants that you recommended as they are in those conditions is a better choice than waterproof pants. Basically for true winter conditions Gore-tex is great but as we move into summer the typical humid Tassie weather means it loses it benefit as testified by the weekend gone where someone mentioned it must have rained when it had not, I just had sweated a lot under the jacket. However, it was still light years in front of PVC as one member found when wearing standard safety gear.

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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 10:21 am

I could be wrong Brett but i understand that the proofing method (for event or goretex) has nothing to do with the durability of the garment ie. it is possible to build a jacket from the same layering materials and weights. Perhaps if this isnt reflected in some of the event jackets currently on offer it is more an aim at the sorts of people most open to change.

My motivation for a topic on goretex is less about design (i have as equal little need for dress length jackets) and more on performance.Seems to me with any material that 'breaths' will always be a bit of a 'genie in the bottle'. There's a few things in bushwalking gear that manufacturers (obviously driven by the market) put figures on (proof ratings, temperature ratings etc) that are just not so clear cut. Must be frustrating for bushwalkers who love figures and 'absolutes' :wink:

Thanks for the mention of the spray (revivex), does make sense to apply to the outside only. They didnt have any in stock at MD's or AG's... I considered looking in KMD, does anyone feel a bit awkward being the only one in the store :|
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Maelgwn » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 10:38 am

Nuts wrote:I could be wrong Brett but i understand that the proofing method (for event or goretex) has nothing to do with the durability of the garment ie. it is possible to build a jacket from the same layering materials and weights. Perhaps if this isnt reflected in some of the event jackets currently on offer it is more an aim at the sorts of people most open to change.



Yeah this is right. Goretex or event is actually the middle layer in a three layer garment. This is the waterproof and breathable part and then the outer layer is a wear layer. The outer layer can basically be made of anything and then garment will still be waterproof but obviously its not too good if this layer holds water or is not beading. The beading is because of the DWR treatment on the outer layer and needs to be revived over time. If the treatment is not applied, then the outer layer stops repelling water and starts holding water and so moisture can no longer pass from inside to outside the jacket (ie breathe). So it is possible to make both heavy and durable or lighterweight or snowbum jackets using either membrane and the durability and DWR performance and driven by material choice for this outer layer and not weather or not it is goretex or event.

I know a few guys who have new Macpac eVent jackets and are taking them on Western Arthurs trips in January, so we will see how they go then!
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Ent » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 11:41 am

Hi Nuts

Bushwalking equipment is always going to be one of personal preference and manufacturers' claims. As for personal preference my views are clear, tough outer shell, long length below shorts and pockets that are accessible with a pack on and of a size that is usable, meaning large with zips, combined with the ability to tuck you hands in out of the wind. Basically the classic jacket that served Tasmanians for years except the old ones had buttons instead of zips. The trend is light weight outer material and waist length jacket designed for wearing with pants. Ok must admit that waterproof pants have improved dramatically from the PVC type that used to be the only option worn under a Japhara but I still prefer not wearing them so the pants you recommended with a DWR are not a bad compromise as they can shake off most light showers remarkably well.

Ok now for the technical bits of the DWR. Gore-tex recommend reapplying the DWR coating by surface spray and not a wash in type while Event recommend a wash in agent. I will leave it up to boffins of both brands to explain why and merely do as each say depending on the material you chose. The reason for the DWR is to bead water way to allow the garment to breath. Simple logic would suggest that a wet suit of Gore-tex would not breath as perspiration going out would be blocked by the water outside. Similar logic I would assume would hold if the jacket had a film of water over it. Can not but help notice that my jackets and pants bead water extremely well compared to other peoples jackets and put this down to the newness of the jacket/pants plus the following of Gore-tex washing instructions. Bit like washing a One Planet sleeping bag as per One Planet's instructions resulted in a much warmer bag so now I am a convert to washing down sleeping bags. Had the misfortune of bleeding on my jacket and noticed in the area of blood the water quickly stopped beading and the grubber the jacket got the less the water beaded and the sweater I felt. A wash and dry restored it back as new.

On the tough outer layer it might be folklore but I believe Gore used a tough nylon outer simply because that is what was on hand and this took off as it had outstanding wear qualities. Pack-lite is an example of Gore-tex reducing the weight and packable size of their garments but at least they are honest that the durability is not as good as the Pro-shell. Event of any of the other breathable membranes could do the same but at least Gore-tex is clear on this aspect. I personally think this aspect gets lost to the false god of weight as I worship at the everlasting god's temple. Yeap it is a "religious" rather than a technical issue in all honesty but as mentioned many times before a manufacturer's warranty is rather meaningless for the three days before you get back to the shop to wait weeks before an item is replaced so I am prepared to accept a trade-off in the over kill engineering department with cost and weight. 109 kilograms plus pack weight sliding down a rock slope due to a pole failure tests a jacket and it nice to get to the bottom to find the jacket unaffected if not me :(

As for breath-ability there are tests and rating but frankly I can not figure them out and as mentioned I have found all bar Gore-tex wanting and it is all to easy to make any claim. I work for a company that imports a large amount of clothing and know first hand that much breathable fabric is very poor at that job but because it can breath, even slightly, then is not deception to market it as breathable. Same with windproof as many polar fleece windproof garments have a solid PVC layer sandwiched between to layers of fleece so much the same effect as wearing a garbage bag. What makes Gore-tex a "winner" is garment design is vetted by Gore-tex so you are going to get a garment that performs to a certain standard. Other fabrics might be as breathable using a outer layer as tough but with substandard garment design this is a moot point.

Thank goodness diversity exists in garment designs but sadly the mass marketing push and grabbing company names and using them as marketing brands means classic designs and even more importantly design criteria (longevity) get lost to what are fashion statements. Common-sense tells me that Gore-tex products are massively over priced but you get a level of performance that is known. I find it very hard to justified to spend slightly less to more on a garment that is shorter and more fragile but then again I never will pretend to understand the fashion industry where a brand name such as Billabong can result in a ten fold increase on the selling price of a cap from the same Chinese factory :?

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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 12:00 pm

Brett wrote:Gore-tex recommend reapplying the DWR coating by surface spray and not a wash in type while Event recommend a wash in agent. I will leave it up to boffins of both brands to explain why and merely do as each say depending on the material you chose. The reason for the DWR is to bead water way to allow the garment to breath.

I don't really understand how DWR works, except that it's hydrophobic. Does it repel vapour as well as liquid? I would guess that it doesn't repel vapour but rather that it merely makes it hard for liquid water to stick to it (and more likely to run off - ie, beading), and therefore the wash in (on both inside and out) might just as good as spray on (only on the outside). I'm not trying to suggest that this is in fact the case, but merely speculating on the reasons for the different recommendations from the different fabric manufacturers.

Besides, having DWR only on the outside, means that the vapour (from sweat) still has to pass through it (or to be more accurate, pass by it). The only difference is that it has to pass by the DWR after the fabric, instead of before and after (and during?).

PS. I also prefer longer jackets, but that has nothing to do with what fabric they're made of. If most longer jackets are made of one fabric, and another fabric is mainly used in shorter jackets, I don't think any less of the fabric for that.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 12:21 pm

Further information from Nikwax FAQ web page:
What are the advantages to using Nikwax TX.Direct wash-in instead of TX.Direct spray-on?

By immersing a garment in a wash-in treatment you apply a complete and even coating of the active ingredients to all the fibres, zips and threads. The treatment finds its way to the back of zips and pocket flaps, behind velcro tabs – all the places that are easy to miss with spray-on treatments. You do not miss any part. Clothing that is PU coated can be coated with a Nikwax waterproofing treatment by using our TX.Direct spray-on product to the outside of the garment only. This product means you can target specific areas of the jacket that need waterproofing anytime, anywhere.


So it would appear that spray-on is better suited to polyurethane coated fabrics (eg, Goretex), and for targeting specific places on any garment, whereas wash-in is suited to all fabrics, or for a complete coverage. Is that what they mean?

What exactly is DWR?

Durable Water Repellency (DWR) is an invisible water-repellent finish applied to the outer fabric of most outdoor clothing and equipment. It prevents the fabric from absorbing water by making water bead up on the surface and roll off. Maintenance of the DWR with one of our cleaning products is vital to allow the fabric to breathe.

This implies (but doesn't actually say) that DWR has little or no effect on vapour, but only on water that is actually touching the fabric.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby blacksheep » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 12:30 pm

some people still can't wrap their head around simple concepts of a fabric being a product of multiple parts put together- substrate/filn/tricot are ingredients that are blended to meet a requirement and are not a constant under a banner of a brand!!@@ doh.. :roll: ...oh well, luckily some can.. :lol: .

re: original question/response re: DWR- yes, I meant the spray on product from nikwax rather than their immersion product.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby wander » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 12:57 pm

I'm anothery who over the years has worked through several gortex jackets and tried others alternates and always come back to a gortex jacket.

Gortex really works best in the wet when it is all done up at the collar, zipped up, waist cord drawn and the cuffs done up tight. As you work (such as wander up a hill with a backpack on) it gets hot inside the jacket but then it hits some critical point where it all works. The temperature inside goes down and stabilses and the inside stays dry. The trick is not to open up the jacket as it will become wet and cold inside instantly from condensation. I have carried out several field experiments to this theory and am convinced.

It also helps to wear 2 layers underneath in cold rain or snow, a thermal base and a thin 2nd layer. The breathability does not seem to work as well with just 1 layer.

Once you stop working and take the pack off it works best to leave the jacket on and done up tight as long as practical / possible. This tends to be the way to end up the driest with the driest jacket.

I cringe at the sight of fellow wanderers wandering around with their cuffs undone and waist draw string undone after taking off their pack whinging like billio that they are wet and cold and wondering why.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 2:40 pm

Brett wrote:Hi Nik

As for the purpose of a DWR my understanding is it is designed to break up the water layer on the garment to allow the micro pores access to the air else the vapour of sweat would pass through the membrane but be stopped by the layer of water otherwise. Curiously the wax on cotton Japhara did something similar allowing the body "steam" to exit through the weave but then bead rain water enough so it would not enter through the garment. Also Japhara traditional designed allowed for venting which is missing from modern jackets (excluding the under arm zips on some cheaper garments).


Yep, I get that, and also confirmed it with the Nikwax FAQ quoted above. However it works, it aims to keep the water from sitting on and soaking into the fabric which then, indirectly, allows vapour to pass through more easily. What I was wondering was ... does it actually have a direct affect on vapour in the air (ie, does it repel vapour in the air), or only on water which is actually touching the DWR/fabric? My suspicion, which appears to be backed up by the Nikwax FAQ, is that it only has a direct affect on the water which is actually touching the DWR-coated fabric (ie, makes water on the fabric bead and run off).

If this is the case, then a wash-in DWR with an all-over coating of the fabric is not going to limit breathability any more than a spray-on DWR on only the outside of the fabric. Ie, DWR on the inside of the fabric is not going to prevent vapour from passing through the fabric.

This is just a theory, of course, but the Nikwax FAQ appears to support it (but isn't clear enough to be certain).
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Son of a Beach » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 3:23 pm

My brother has an old One Planet goretex jacket. I'm sure it's still his primary rain jacket with no problems for about 20 years (and he now lives in England, so presumably wears his rain coat a lot).

I'd really like to try an eVent jacket, as the third party reviews I've seen have all be very positive and agree with the marketing, in terms of better breathability AND better waterproofness. However, I haven't had the opportunity, and like you, I've not yet seen one in a style that suits me. Having said that, I haven't been looking very hard, as I already have a good waterproof jacket which I cannot afford to replace when it already works perfectly well. So wanting to try other things is merely out of curiosity, not out of any need or any dissatisfaction with what I've got.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 4:54 pm

Hey, stop jumping my thread with your personal choices.... a half a dozen strollers does not a quorum make :D
Long Jackets are an aussie bent and were probably as popular for keeping shorts dry as any other reason.... Doesnt mean right or wrong (take the fur felt hat and look for another hot dry country where they are 'traditional')... To me, a lot of this gear and reduction in weight is as much about free and fast movement as anything. A lot of the 'traditional' kit works well with each other item just as the 'newer' (questionable as the designs have been developed in countries with even older traditions) also works well together.

Anyhow, unless more comment on fabric i think iv'e got enough outa this... maybe it should go to other ideas and whatever folks hope to achieve... ime placing so much faith in any particular brand or model was a luxury from the days before using the stuff became part of a job. Keeping it spotless a luxury of a 'hobby'... Lend that Vista to a trackie, track ranger or guide for the summer. You'll give up the search for brand loyalty quick enough. A set of frogg toggs may suit the bill :lol:
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby corvus » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 5:55 pm

Nuts wrote:. Lend that Vista to a trackie, track ranger or guide for the summer. You'll give up the search for brand loyalty quick enough. A set of frogg toggs may suit the bill :lol:

Horses for courses Nuts ,being a Trackie or Guide or Track Ranger as you well know is a long shot example from the occasional walker and I love my long PP Vagabond Gortex jacket because it keeps my shorts dry :) ,weather conditions determine if my upper body is dry ,rain ok,scrub bashing no,snow ok,rain and or scrub bashing on a long uphill no,rain on an open flat track at a reasonable pace perfect :)
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Nuts » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 6:23 pm

You supprise me G, i thought you'd at least have a go at my lilly white/pink knees being a reason I wear longs all the time :wink:
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby Bivouac Gary » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 7:27 pm

Just with regard to DWR aftermarket care though would add my 2 cents. I had these questions from staff so did do a test a couple of years ago using swatches cut from a reflex jacket I had around.

Did this with 10 of the common treatments available in NZ and clear winners were grangers spray on and a local equivalent made for Earth Sea Sky over here - Gecko Guard. Spray test was done following washing, application and then a hot drier (swatches were pre washed a number of times with a harsh detergent to evenly remove old DWR).

So I tend to reccommend those 2 if aim is to replenish very tired DWR that is not improved noticable by ironing or a hot drier (which can perk up DWR that is in good condition). Wash ins were not so good in my test but still good as part of a general maintenance regime. When you use and wash a jacket you slowly wear out the repellency if when you wash it you use a 2 in 1 product it will maintain the DWR that is still there. So if good to your gear then use a 2in1 from the beginning when washing but if it is too late for that a spray will give a more visible lift to the repellency.

Having said that newer formulations are coming out so may have to find another jacket to destroy soon.

With regard wash-in's coating inside of the jacket so limiting breathability there has been testing done in Europe by grangers which said the effect was negligible - have seen the result charts but have not seen them made public.

Good luck with the water proof breathable debate - a big book could be written on the different technologies and testing along with how marketing from all the companies involved selectively communicate what looks best for their product. That is what marketing people are paid for anyway. My experience is do some research but be a skeptic when looking at numbers and graphs. Buy from brands and outlets you think will stand behind the product. Trust them to get the technical side right when it counts but own up and put right things that go wrong.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby corvus » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 7:54 pm

Nuts wrote:You supprise me G, i thought you'd at least have a go at my lilly white/pink knees being a reason I wear longs all the time :wink:


As if, my wife is a "Ranga" so no comment from me :)
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby tasadam » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 8:35 pm

Interesting discussion. I don't use a Goretex jacket so cannot contribute, I use a Hydronaut Pro japara.
I can tell you about a very recent experience, my wife and I crossing a couple of mountain ranges in +100kph winds, fog, horizontal rain. Didn't take very long at all before we were soaked.
Was cool but not cold unless I stopped, lunch was a brief but welcome break in a sheltered forest.
Traversing a ridge, knowing that later in the day we had a creek to swim, I turn to my wife and yell (through necessity with the wind),
"Swimming the creek will be easy... Swum all the *&$)(@^% way there, might as well swim across..."
Came to the end of the day and had not 1 but three creeks to swim, which we did with boots gaiters waterproof pants and japaras. No point getting undressed when you're already soaked. Too cold anyhow in that wind.
(Hint - backstroke works best)

The one thing I learnt was that the pockets are the only thing that is waterproof on those jackets at the moment, they were quite full when we exited the creeks.

Before the walk we treated our jackets not with the Nikwax spray but another "equally as good" one that was recommended to us by the bushwalking shop.
It's called "Permanent water-guard" brand, by sno-seal, made in USA.
"Heavy duty water and stain repellent."
"Water beads up, runs off, leaving fabric dry and breathable".
"Restores water repellent finish to all water repellent and waterproof breathable systems, including Gore-tex"
$23.95 for 500ml, used nearly all of it on 2 japaras as per directions, prior to the walk.
Helped the water bead for the first hour or so of the first wet day, after that the jackets were little more than glorified windstoppers.

So, as I say, intersting discussion, I will watch with interest as to what people really think of Goretex japaras. I don't care about cost, if they do what they are supposed to - keep us at least a little dry.
But I'll be talking to Mont first about sending ours back for inspection, and some minor repairs.
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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby corvus » Tue 01 Dec, 2009 11:02 pm

Nuts wrote:You supprise me G, i thought you'd at least have a go at my lilly white/pink knees being a reason I wear longs all the time :wink:


As stated before being married to a "Ranga" I would never comment on anyones white skin :) nor would I condemn any one for getting it wrong with Jackets as some will be a once of with "commercial " rather than practical advice :?

My thoughts are that the Fabric knowledge is available the Technology is available and as is design so we should be getting the best of the best and not what I think may be a times experimentation on us mug punters :?
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Re: Goretex Jackets

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Re: Goretex Jackets

Postby tasadam » Wed 02 Dec, 2009 9:00 am

Brett wrote:DWR sprays. Not cheap are they and when I played with the Nubikwax treatment on one sleeve it ran straight off onto the floor. Was suggested on this thread that I should apply it when jacket was wet but likely the one applied during manufacture is holding up well but will give that approach a try.

The correct way to use those sprays is to wash the jacket as per manufacturers care instructions, then while the jacket is still damp (not wet), apply the spray liberally, and dry the jacket in a warm clothes dryer.
Apparently you can iron Hydronaut fabric too, which helps keep it waterproof. Something to do with reactivating the DWR I think, though I'm no expert, also my experiences are with Hydronaut, not Gore-Tex.
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