Tracks, Huts, etc Omitted from Tasmanian Maps [merged]

[tastrax]

What is the release date of the map that has/hasn't got all these tracks? Also remember that the PWS boundary (for many years) was at the escarpment and below that was forestry.

Jacksons Creek to Lake Myrtle - T4 classification therefore does not go on maps - managed as per T4 classification - (Page 109 Volume 2 of WHA track Strategy)
Western Creek (T3) - cant see a valid reason for this not to be on the maps (P118) - maybe forestry made a request to Tasmap?
Syds Track (T4) - same as above (P118)
Lady lake Hut - I suspect the omission of this hut is purely because it didn't exist for many years

PS - these are not areas I am familiar with - just reading from the WHA track management plan
http://www.wyatt-family.com/phil/World% ... 994%20.pdf

[Liamy77]

thankyou Tastrax.... out of interest, does anyone know if someone from/affiliated with tasmap follows these threads or should "we" let em know of this so they can contribute or update their future maps as needed?

[johnw]

The obvious reason for the Lady lake hut is that it wasn't there when the maps were finalised, but it used to be on the old 1inch to the mile

ff answer to that one might be here:
http://www.khuts.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=501%3Alady-lake-hut&catid=65&Itemid=110
"Lady Lake hut was built in the summer of 2002 - 2003, to replace one burnt down in the 1960's. Construction by the Mountain Huts Preservation Society, lead by Simon Cubit."
From memory I think the signage outside the current hut mentions the old one. So I'm assuming (hypothetically at least) there was a hut when the inch to the mile map was produced. 60's still imperial maps?

[Liamy77]

true but i bought my digital maps last week and its not on them... Aus geo data 2006.... maybe 3 years wasnt long enough for them to notice it....

[johnw]

true but i bought my digital maps last week and its not on them... Aus geo data 2006.... maybe 3 years wasnt long enough for them to notice it....

Good point. What is the source of the data they use for the digital maps?

[Son of a Beach]

Hi all,

We can talk all we like - however, knowing that information is being left off maps isnt "fixed" by talking about it or asking questions. It is time to commence real action, a data set of known deleted information and making it publicaly available so that our heritage is not lost for all time.

The caretakers of our public land have made thier stand, now its time for those concerned about it to take thier stand.

Lets get this rolling.

Paul.Paul
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Another topic was started with the hope of creating such a data set, but it has ended up becoming much the same as this post, and not had much in the way of real examples posted to it. Therefore I have merged the other similar topic into this topic. Feel free to keep posting examples of omissions to this topic, and if there is enough of them, somebody might like to start up a page on our wiki to catalogue them more formally (copy any new ones from this topic to the wiki).

[Son of a Beach]

thankyou Tastrax.... out of interest, does anyone know if someone from/affiliated with tasmap follows these threads or should "we" let em know of this so they can contribute or update their future maps as needed?

I've been having some discussion with the guy from Tasmap about his forums (as initiated by another member here) about cooperation between their forums and ours, just to make sure that both sets of users are aware of the other forums, etc. Not sure what form that will take yet (if it happens at all), and I'm not sure if he has been looking at the forums here or not. I hope that this discussion does not turn him off the idea!

[Nuts]

I can think of a few tracks that ive noticed on newer maps, not so much huts. Tastrax has provided some ideas for those mentioned and to follow up!.
I wonder if the track classification means much or is it poorly understood?.
Great topic and worthy of discussion though I think it would be worth reading back to walkinTas excellent post on the last page, be disappointing if it went ignored. Anyhow... just thoughts i considered worthwhile mentioning again, more just 'for the record' doesn't seem like there is much interest anyhow?

[Liamy77]

what are the minimum requirements for a track to be shown? i wonder.....
you seem to know way more than i do on the details here so, could you explain this tastrax? if not does anyone know where I might find these details online?

[Son of a Beach]

what are the minimum requirements for a track to be shown? i wonder.....
you seem to know way more than i do on the details here so, could you explain this tastrax? if not does anyone know where I might find these details online?

Tastrax linked to PWS guide to how tracks are classified earlier in the topic. It includes information on which classes of tracks should be included in publications (which I assume means maps and guide books), and how tracks are classified.

[Liamy77]

oops cheers... vague moment thanks!

[johnrs]

The omissions are a form of censorship.
The purpose of the strategy is to deny the past in order to change the future in a direction
sanctioned by those who control the information.
This is a form of state control that compromises both those who provide the information and those who seek to use it
As Lord Aston said more than a century ago
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
All power to the Park Service!!!

[johnrs]

The omissions are a form of censorship with a goal of control.
A fairly insidious process.
Deny the past to change the future.
Where there is a power imbalance individuals can have their rights,
their past and cultural heritage expunged by the larger party.
70 years ago George Orwell visited the USSR and wrote at length about such things.

[greyim]

Google earth is great
With digital era, different grades of track can be easily marked
low grade tracks would otherwise be too hazardous for many people
there's lots of old bulldozer tracks go nowwhere (logging?
but perhaps useful if planning new tracks/ routes
Untracked bush is very hard going
Forum rule - sensitive areas no tracks - quite vague, what's it really about

[walkinTas]

You can post notes on any track, including map information, in the "Track Notes" section of the Wiki.

If you don't wish to edit a new Track Notes page yourself, then just type your notes up in a word processor and email the file to me with your request to add the file to the Wiki. Email me at my user name at gmail.com.

[flyfisher]

The Tasmap issue again......maybe it would be worth contacting a MP with regard to cost, content, quality, suitability for purpose etc. I will send an email or two and see..
FF

[vagrom]

Does anyone know of or have they heard of a hut on Mt Read?