For Stove Freaks

[corvus]

G'day All,
Found this one whilst checking out the FMS-116T which I had just ordered and had to have one
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fire-Maple-FMS-100T ... 2238wt_908
Hope you are tempted
corvus

[Franco]

Stove freaks ?
What kind of talk is that ???

Anyway, I see that the T version is about 100g lighter than the standard one but it is a similar weight and price to the MSR Wind Pro.
Any advantage with the Fire Maple that you can see ?
(BTW, the Fire Maple website has disappeared...)
Franco

[rucksack]

Franco, try this one ...

Fire Maple English language web site URL is ..

http://firemaple128.diytrade.com/sdp/59 ... talog.html

I just checked it a minute ago and it works. It does seem to come and go though. As does the Bulin site. The Bulin English language web site URL is ...

http://www.cnbulin.com/en/product.asp

Same factory, but different companies, so I am told and both (as I have said elsewhere), are out-sourcing manufacturers who are trying to establish their own brands. And yes Corvus, what kind of dangerous talk is that? Stove aficionados, or pehaps stove connoisseurs, but freaks. Hmm.

rucksack

p.s. I have a new Trangia X2 multi-fuel stove (a Primus Omni-Fuel stove without 'legs') on order and will pick it up in Hong Kong next Saturday. I have always wanted a KAP-Arctic, but they are no longer made, so I think that this combination of a Primus Omni-Fuel in a Trangia UL 25 set-up (which I already have), might come close and, perhaps, satisfy the 'urge'. I walk in temperatures down to -40ºC up here in winter, so a lightweight screw-top butane stove doesn't quite cut the mustard.

[Franco]

Thanks Rucksack
your link works.
My previous one and googling didn't.

I am waiting now for the Montgomery kettle to arrive as well as some bits from Ti Goat to make a wood burning stove (just for fun because I am not really into stoves anyway)

hey Corvus
If you can easily take the legs off that FMS 100, can you tell me the weight saving ?
Franco

[corvus]

Sorry about the Freaks check my avatar it was bestowed on me by tasadam (modified by me to suit) in the early days of the forum
Franco I will check out the FMS-100T when it arrives to see if the legs can be removed easily
Rucksac I have an Optimus Explorer Multifuel with a conversion to fit the Trangia System (it is a bit of an overkill for Tassie conditions ) but it was another stove I just had to have

I like the look of the FMS 100t especially the heat exchanger so I guess it will be ideal for my Winter strolls down here probably -10 at the worst where I walk.
corvus

[rucksack]

Corvus, I had a FMS-100T in my hands a few weeks back in one of the local stores here. Looks very nice indeed. This is what I mean by Fire Maple trying to establish their own brand with their own models.

Have a look at this link, if you haven't already seen it. It's in Chinese, but you can peruse the photographs and see the FMS-100T in action. As I say, a very nicely made stove and the pre-heating tube means that you can run gas canisters upside down in cold weather. Very handy.

http://bbs.8264.com/thread-653148-1-1.html

I picked up a Kovea KB-0101 Titanium for $35 just before Christmas - at another local store here. It was old stock, but unused and in its clear plastic case. I couldn't say no, because ... well, one can never have enough stoves. I took it with me to Daming Shan the weekend before last and it was fine. I use a Fire Maple FMW-510 eight panel aluminium windscreen with all my gas and liquid fuel stoves save for my Trangia stoves (of course). Whilst the permutations with the 8 panels of the Fire Maple are not exactly endless, they are enought to be creative. I have even seen three of these Fire Maple windshields used in tandem to create a dutch oven. Fire Maple make a stainless steel version too, for about the same weight.

rucksack

[corvus]

Rucksac,
I did check out that site the other day and hit the translation button ,the English might be a bit hard to follow and at times amusing however it is a really comprehensive report and I might add so much better than I could do translating English to Chinese
Just hope Fire Maple do not come out with any more new you beaut designs as I really need to curb my stove collection habit as it looks like I may be in the market for a 2 person 4 season lightweight Tent to add to my collection
corvus

[rucksack]

Corvus, I perfectly understand the need for another tent. Mrs rucksac, on the other hand, doesn't see eye to eye with me on these important matters. As far as she is concerned, a sheet of black garden plastic and a stick sharpened at one end should be sufficient and all that a chap would or could want or need. I am trying to think of a suitable retort, and in the meantime, avoiding her gaze, as a new Tarptent Moment is on its way up to me as I write.

rucksack

[corvus]

hey Corvus
If you can easily take the legs off that FMS 100, can you tell me the weight saving ?
Franco

Franco ,

It is so well made that it would be a travesty to *&%$#! it you just need to purchase one

corvus,

[Nuts]

I may be in the market for a 2 person 4 season lightweight Tent to add to my collection
corvus

Prolite (who just happen to have that evernew pasta pot we talked about) also sell hilleberg... and spring20 will get you 20% off atm... perhaps a nallo (though a 3 may be better for wok cooking)

[corvus]

G'day All,
Found this one whilst checking out the FMS-116T which I had just ordered and had to have one
http://cgi.ebay.com/Fire-Maple-FMS-100T ... 2238wt_908
Hope you are tempted
corvus

Both arrived today,
Very well made stoves and the 100T will be my stove of choice from now on (unless someone comes out with a better one ) or Mrs corvus closes the purse
The 116T is the lightest stove I own 48g with a massive 3500w output down to a very gentle simmer and it will be our extra burner of convenience.
The 100T, well what can I say ,stable ,light ,2450 w output gentle simmer ,remote cannister connection ,heat transfer tube enabling cannister inversion and it it really a funky design borrowing from Transformers for those of you who know what they are
corvus

[ILUVSWTAS]

funky design borrowing from Transformers for those of you who know what they are
corvus

Decepticons? Or Autobots??

[corvus]

Whatever them things with legs that move to create arms and stuff and look like, well transformers
the ones I remember and we still have at home somewhere are over 20 years old .
corvus

[ILUVSWTAS]

Decepticons were the baddies, Autobots were the goodies.

[corvus]

I think it is so good it must be an Autobot.

[Nuts]

Sure its wasnt an emoticon?

[corvus]

Stove freaks ?
What kind of talk is that ???

Anyway, I see that the T version is about 100g lighter than the standard one but it is a similar weight and price to the MSR Wind Pro.
Any advantage with the Fire Maple that you can see ?
(BTW, the Fire Maple website has disappeared...)
Franco

Franco,
Now that I can compare the 100T has an inbuilt heat deflector /wind shield cup and a heat exchanger that works a treat so all in all I believe an advantage over the Wind Pro.
corvus

[Franco]

Thanks Corvus.
Now that you have pointed that out I can also see that.
Nice details.
Franco

[corvus]

Sure its wasnt an emoticon?

Don't think they have a "gottahavicon" but think they should have for us "tragics"

[Peaksnik]

Corvus,
Thanks for the info about the 100T. Mine arrived today and, although I was buying from Hong Kong and had only seen it on the web, it was immediately judged to be the buy of the year! I love the funky leg and trivet connections.

Cheers
Peaksnik

[corvus]

G'day Peaksnik,
Glad you like the 100T I will be giving mine a good tryout this weekend in very cool conditions so I will be able to give an in field evaluation
corvus

[rucksack]

Corvus, you probably already know this .. but the design 'inspiration' for the FMS-100 / FMS-100T is very probably this stove ...

http://www.snowpeak.com/activity/backpa ... s-320.html

I think that it came out in 2008 or 2009, perhaps the latter. I picked up a Snow Peak GS-300A in 2007 and from memory, their GS-320 Crab LI (Liquid Injection) came out not long after. For a time, Snow Peak showed both stoves on their website. The GS-300A (which is a damn good stove, putting out a serious 11,200BTU and also able to take advantage of liquid injection), is out of production now, but it's 'sister' stove, the liquid fuel GS-010R, which has an almost identical design, but runs on Shellite (white gas) only, is still available.

Anyway, you might want to have a little look at the Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI, when you have the time. I have seen one, (but don't own one). Nice looking stove. It runs from an inverted gas canister as standard, hence the designation: liquid injection.

I'll be interested to hear how your FMS-100T goes this weekend.

rucksack

[corvus]

Corvus, you probably already know this .. but the design 'inspiration' for the FMS-100 / FMS-100T is very probably this stove ...

http://www.snowpeak.com/activity/backpa ... s-320.html

I think that it came out in 2008 or 2009, perhaps the latter. I picked up a Snow Peak GS-300A in 2007 and from memory, their GS-320 Crab LI (Liquid Injection) came out not long after. For a time, Snow Peak showed both stoves on their website. The GS-300A (which is a damn good stove, putting out a serious 11,200BTU and also able to take advantage of liquid injection), is out of production now, but it's 'sister' stove, the liquid fuel GS-010R, which has an almost identical design, but runs on Shellite (white gas) only, is still available.

Anyway, you might want to have a little look at the Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI, when you have the time. I have seen one, (but don't own one). Nice looking stove. It runs from an inverted gas canister as standard, hence the designation: liquid injection.

I'll be interested to hear how your FMS-100T goes this weekend.

rucksack

G'day rucksack,
Fire Maple were very clever with their copy of the Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI especially for the price and thank you I was not aware of the SP (must have been one they did not promote in Aus) or perhaps I would own one

Performance of the FM 100T was better than I expected in very cold conditions( not quite freezing), I re heated a stew which had not totally defrosted ,in a MSR Titan kettle without scorching because of the ability to really lower the heat below simmer and did not need to fully crank it up to boil water in an Evernew Ti 900 ml pasta pot .
My opinion as a multi stove owner/ collector is that I think I have found my ideal , to improve performance in the low simmer mode I will use a wind shield which will be no imposition as I always used a 60g one with my other gas burners.
This is a really good Stove at a very reasonable price that may just curb my collecting urge for a while .(must have a look for one of those can invertor stands though )
corvus

[rucksack]

Corvus, I have looked and looked, but other than the inverter stand that comes with the Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI, I haven't 'found' one. I have scanned the Japanese, Koran & Chinese web sites and nothing there. You can find a unit for converting a stove from screw top to remote canister (and they have been around for a while), but that Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI is the only stove that I know that comes with that canister inverter. Snow Peak are good on service, (in my experience), so they might be convinced to part with one. How's your Japanese?

If I ever come across one, I will let you know. I could, of course, feed the idea back through one of the big outdoor shops here to Fire Maple. They obviously used the Snow Peak GS-320 Crab LI as 'inspiration' to make their FMS-100; they could just as well finish the job and do the inverter as well. What do you think?

rucksack

[corvus]

Rucksack glad it was not just me who could not find a cannister inverter stand
Being as my Japanese is restricted to Sake,Miso and Sushi perhaps you should approach one of the stores over there and suggest that Fire Maple produce one
corvus

[rucksack]

I might just do that!

Could be the start of something.

rucksack

[alanoutgear]

This is a "knock off" of the Snow Peak crab stove, which is a liquid withdrawal stove. I bought a crab last year, and apart from not having piezo ignition, it's a great stove, and these are way, way cheaper - and Ti.

Enough of the "freaks"epithet too - I'm a collector of fine, lighweight cooking appliances.

[corvus]

G'day allanoutgear,
Freak is an endearment ( I think ) bestowed upon me by Mods in the very early days of this Forum so no offence intended,just pity .
This version of the SP Crab is very good and I have found a cannister inverter which should help the liquid flow however performance in very cold (not freezing) conditions the other weekend were more than satisfactory at a very low simmer and high crank with a 65% full down to 28% full cannister without inversion.

As a " collector of fine lightweight cooking appliances " what is your count to date and do you have any early non lightweight ones a la "Seva 128" still sold today as Optimus Climber and have you found the lightest weight one on the market today the Fire Maple FMS-116T 48gm.

corvus

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[Peaksnik]

Re a canister inverter for the FMS-100T.

One method I have seen is to use a rubber band to attach say three legs to the side of the canister. The legs used could be light tent pegs that could be pushed into the ground or flat sections of aluminium with turned up ends to act as feet.

Cheers
Peaksnik

[corvus]

Thanks for that Peaksnick,
Yes was well aware of that thanks and have made one from a coffee jar lid but hey we are collectors and MUST have the wee thningmajainginamies to go with our stoves
corvus