stuey69 wrote:Actually you need not be prevented from roaming.
The problem is being with others in hut type situations.
If you're able to hike solo or be with others and park your tent well away then you can still do what you want.
It's a shame if you have to end your activities, look for alternatives.
gelandangan wrote:Thank you I shall research the Butekyko technique.
You are right it does drive me mad.
and worse, it made me no longer free to roam.
stuey69 wrote:Actually you need not be prevented from roaming.
The problem is being with others in hut type situations.
If you're able to hike solo or be with others and park your tent well away then you can still do what you want.
It's a shame if you have to end your activities, look for alternatives.
Tortoise wrote:It's usually the people with more severe cases of apnoea, asthma etc who do the best - it largely comes down to commitment to follow through with the techniques learnt. It's simple, but not easy - about an hour/day for a while - 6x 10 mins. They also found more success by charging a higher fee for the course, because people's motivation was higher to get the most for their outlay.
Will pm details
South_Aussie_Hiker wrote:He simply lost the weight through exercise and eating well, went from about 120kg to 75kg (he is 6'3") and then he no longer needed the machine...
drakkar wrote:It's a pretty vicious cycle...
darrenb wrote:Although sleep apnea is exacerbated by excessive weight, obesity isn't always the cause...
GPSGuided wrote:drakkar wrote:It's a pretty vicious cycle...
It takes will to break that cycle. CPAP machines are just adjuncts for relief but not treating the cause.
drakkar wrote: I wish 'will' was all that it took.
GPSGuided wrote:Not saying all sleep apnoea cases are due to weight condition. But a good majority is, and even in those others, weight gain exacerbates the condition. As for weight gain and loss, it's a simple equation of calories in vs calories out. If weight is stable or increasing, then it's either eating too much or not enough exercises. That's where the will comes in. "Eating well" is relative and often too well. Walk more, a heck of a lot more.
GPSGuided wrote:I'm sure more will chip in if there are more suitable info. In the meantime, thread drift is to be expected.
dashandsaph wrote:Slightly off topic but might be for some. I have OSA and tried a CPAP machine on and off for a year or so with limited success - I usually ended up taking the mask off in my sleep. I moved on to a splint - it's an upper and lower jaw mouthguard which encourages breathing through the nose and has an offset device to push the lower jaw forward, opening up the throat and reducing the obstruction. Management reports a mixed effect in reducing snoring and OSA episodes, but it's better than nothing. I can tolerate it and for the gram counters it is miniscule in weight and has no battery. I am sort of working on the weight loss. This might be an option, but as custom fitted, very expensive for use on walks only.
GPSGuided wrote:Not saying all sleep apnoea cases are due to weight condition. But a good majority is, and even in those others, weight gain exacerbates the condition. As for weight gain and loss, it's a simple equation of calories in vs calories out. If weight is stable or increasing, then it's either eating too much or not enough exercises. That's where the will comes in. "Eating well" is relative and often too well. Walk more, a heck of a lot more.
drakkar wrote:
That thinking really frustrates me, shows pretty little understanding. And is borderline offensive.
Did you not read how much excercise I was doing? I was keeping my intake to roughly 2500calories a day. Which is on the low side for all that.
Yet I still put on weight?
That little bit of weight went on, and my sleep apnea obviously got worse, so I needed extra food to have enough energy to just make it through the day. Not having your wits about you when you are playing with 11000 volts makes for a shorter life than sleep apnea and obesity.
I'm pretty aware of my energy needs and food intake. If it was as simple as will and calories in vs calories out, I wouldn't have an issue
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