Tarptent Scarp 1 inner in a Scarp 2 fly

[Adrian V]

I am wondering if anyone has tried putting a Scarp 1 inner with a Scarp 2 fly to create more vestibule space? I like the idea of the Scarps, but I would much prefer more outside space to cook, store gear etc. What's the concensus, might this be possible/advisable?

Cheers,

Adrian

[Strider]

Franco from Tarptent should be along shortly...

Although I have to say it would be great if it did work, as it would give 73cm vestibules each side. But the overall heights are different, and the corner attachments for the inner would have to be considerably lengthened and therefore might not tension the inner at the correct angles.

[Franco]

I am wondering if anyone has tried putting a Scarp 1 inner with a Scarp 2 fly to create more vestibule space?

That is a very good question ... (translation : i don't know the answer)
Oddly just a few days ago I set up the 4 person Hogback with a Scarp 2 inner just to see how it would look.
Not a product that could be sold but I can make it work and yes you get a huge vestibule that way.

I should be getting a Scarp 2 or two soon so I will try the 1 into 2 version but what can be easily done is to unclip the first two apex clips of the 2 inner on one side
as well as one or both corners and then pull the inner back.
There is a loop attached to the floor so that you can peg it back when you do this.
You can see it in my video clip here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCGp9MVD ... ex5BMVK4vw

[Strider]

Not a product that could be sold but I can make it work and yes you get a huge vestibule that way.

Why couldn't it be sold? I think it would be fantastic if TT offered modular options.

[Franco]

I meant as it is...
It works for me because I can fiddle with it and make it work but it is a bit like pegging back a shirt so that it looks like it fits you..
So a new inner design is required .
You need to remember that some can't handle near enough or modifications so as much as you can't make everybody happy the trick is to try to.

[Adrian V]

Thanks for the replies. I am thinking that this combination may be good for me, because as well as bushwalking I like to travel Outback by motorbike (insert collective intake of breath ). My existing Hubba can't cope with the gear this necessitates and stuff inevitably gets left out in the weather. I have thought about the Hubba gearsack as an option, but it seems heavy and I'd still have to climb through my gear to get into the tent. It seems like the Scarp 1/2 idea might resolve my situation and offer 2 large entrances/vestibules, one for gear and one for cooking exiting etc.
I must admit I was sort of assuming that I could buy a Scarp 1 inner and a Scarp 2 outer and make my own modifications from there, might this be an issue Franco?
I would be really interested if you would be willing to try this idea Franco and post a few piccies. I am assuming that it's just the attachments that would need lengthening and a bit of fiddling to get them pulling in the right directions to keep the inner taught on the Scarp 2 attachment points? Mind you if Henry would be willing to do this as a custom job that would be even better . I would also consider buying a Scarp 2 inner as well, for trips with significant others and this would make this tent combination truly versatile for my situation.
So is it doable?

Cheers,

Adrian

[Strider]

Why are you so keen on the Scarp? It wouldn't be my first choice for outback camping - actually no 4 season tent would be.

Have you considered the Stratospire 1? I suspect it would offer much better ventilation for where you're planning on going as you can fully open up both sides. And it has 89cm vestibules from the get go (16cm wider than Scarp 1/2 hybrid).

If I hadn't managed to get a good deal on a Scarp 1 locally, I would have gone with the SS1 myself.

[Franco]

hi Adrian
Yes I get exactly what you want to do .
My version would have had the Scarp 1 inner all to one side but you are thinking of having that in the middle.
The height of the two Scarps is different (it has to because of the pole radius) so I am not too sure right now how it will work but I will test that out and post about it.
BTW, yes you can buy an additional inner later or two (even mixed) at the same time.
For inner only you need to ask for a link to that .

[Moondog55]

Having been a motorcycle tourist myself.
Years ago tho before babies etc I was always amazed at how little I could safely carry on the bike ( due to compromising balance and handling ) compared to my big rucksac. So M/C gear really is sort of specialised, what I wanted most at the end of a days riding was to be able to stretch out tall, to that end any of the bigger single pole pyramids would be my choice now; along with the biggest, thickest, softest mattress I could cram onto the rack.
I think a pyramid with hooded entry, bug screen and floor would be my ultimate choice with muted colours for camping close to busy roads

[Adrian V]

G'day All,

Strider, I don't mind using a 4 season tent in the desert, if it's versatile enough. I tend to do trips in the winter and have had quite a few nights well below zero. I think I would also like a solid inner at least part way up the sides, to help keep the wind/dust out. Re ventilation, I reckon I might keep the doors open a bit for hot nights (and to look at the stars ) and I am hoping that and opening the ends will create enough through draught.

Moondog, I know what you mean about motorcycle camping, you do have to be selective with your gear and keep things as light as possible (I take minimalist hiking gear), but as most of my trips are on the dirt, I find the clobber I wear (neck/leg braces/upper body protection etc.) too much for my Hubba. I did look at and like the Golite Shangri-la 3, preferably with a 1/2 or 3/4 Ooknest, but I'd still have to climb through my gear to get in and I'd worry about the large footprint and getting the pegs to hold in sand.

Franco, I did wonder if it might be possible to move the single inner to one side (so allowing one 'normal vestibule and one humungous vestibule, but abandoned that idea as it seemed it would make attaching the inner even harder. On reflection though having the inner in the middle might work best, still allowing plenty of room for gear and a large place to cook/sit/look out on the other side. Good news too that I should be able to purchase a Scarp 1 inner and a Scarp 2 outer if this all works out. Many thanks for agreeing to try the 1/2 combination, I'm really looking forward to seeing if its possible.

I think this combination would also still be light enough to carry bushwalking, which then covers all bases for me.

Cheers,

Adrian.

[Strider]

Strider, I don't mind using a 4 season tent in the desert, if it's versatile enough. I tend to do trips in the winter and have had quite a few nights well below zero. I think I would also like a solid inner at least part way up the sides, to help keep the wind/dust out. Re ventilation, I reckon I might keep the doors open a bit for hot nights (and to look at the stars ) and I am hoping that and opening the ends will create enough through draught.

All good points

Franco, I did wonder if it might be possible to move the single inner to one side (so allowing one 'normal vestibule and one humungous vestibule, but abandoned that idea as it seemed it would make attaching the inner even harder.

If anything I think this might even be easier, as there would be attachment points available for all the inner connections except the innermost bottom corners (assuming everything else lined up of course).

*EDIT*

Looking at the measurements, if you put the Scarp 1 inner hard up against one side of the Scarp 2 fly, you would overshoot the centre connections by 6". But this means you would only need 20" extensions to those points in order to attach to the connections in the opposite corners.

[Franco]

here it is...



This is the Scarp 2 with the standard inner having the 2 outermost clip undone with the second clipped to the center hook
(there is a loop on the floor to hold it back like this )

In this photo the vestibule is 90 cm wide the floor inside the inner is 110cm wide
The height at the inner door is about 114cm.



In this shot I have the Scarp 1 inner. Now the pole to inner door is about 115cm .
not really that much difference except that the vestibule is wider at the ends using the 1 inner.
With the 1 inner installed the other vestibule is about 40cm deep, just enough for a dry entry and a pack.
Franco

[Strider]

Looks good Franco. Is it a nice fit, or are things a bit floppy?

First picture =

[Franco]

As you can see from my expression I already anticipated that question...
First the tent fly is not set up taut because I am using some bricks to hold it up (this Scarp will be posted later on today...)
but apart from that the inner pegged back will lose some of its shape so yes it will look floppy.
On the other hand I always look floppy.

[Strider]

As you can see from my expression I already anticipated that question...
First the tent fly is not set up taut because I am using some bricks to hold it up (this Scarp will be posted later on today...)
but apart from that the inner pegged back will lose some of its shape so yes it will look floppy.
On the other hand I always look floppy.

I was more talking about the inner. With a tight pitch do you think it would pull nice and tight?

[Franco]

yes apart from the door side that is pulled back.
The important part is the roof area as you don't want that to touch the fly, a wrinkly door is only cosmetic but I suppose that will bother some.
BTW, I can set it up taut with bricks, I just need more of them...

[Adrian V]

Hi Franco,
Thanks for taking the time to do that. Just so I'm clear, the first 2 pictures show the Scarp 2 with the inner pulled back and the second 2 photos show the Scarp 1 inner moved all to one side? At the risk of being a pain did you try it with the Scarp 1 inner in the middle (equi-distant from the corner attachment points)?

Cheers,

Adrian

[Franco]

Sorry I only had one Scarp 2 and that has gone...
Your description was correct.
I set the Scarp 1 inner to one side because it hooks up to the corners the same way it does under its own fly (Scarp 1 fly...)
To have it in the center you would need to add 4 guylines (one for each corner) plus add 2 -4 extensions to the top to connect the inner to the pole
(the Scarp 2 pole is higher than the 1)

[Adrian V]

Hi Franco,

Thanks again for taking the time to consider the possibilities for the Scarp1/2 combination.
Given what you have seen do you think that with suitable extensions the Scarp 1 inner would pitch tight in the middle of the Scarp 2 outer?

Cheers,

Adrian

[Franco]

Adrian
Yes, all you need is to work out the exact distance and some rope with a mitten hook at the other end .
I might just do that when I get another Scarp 2 ...

[corvus]

If I get a couple of dry days (being the owner of a1 and 2) I will try this out and report back
corvus

[Strider]

If I get a couple of dry days (being the owner of a1 and 2) I will try this out and report back
corvus

Show off

[corvus]

If ya gottem flaunt em

[Adrian V]

Hi Corvus,

It would be great if you were willing to try the Scarp 1 inner in the middle of the Scarp 2 fly. Even better with piccies

Cheers,

Adrian

[corvus]

Will do the 1/2 test as soon as I have dry weather as I do not have an undercover drying area.
corvus

[Strider]

Will do the 1/2 test as soon as I have dry weather as I do not have an undercover drying area.
corvus

What is your weather doing up there Gerry. Beautiful in Hobart

[corvus]

Weather fine today so did the test yes it will work however you will need to attach 12 cords to the "1" inner to make it work.I think shock cord loops would be the way to go.
As an aside I did not realise how hard it is to "play" with tents when suffering from Flexor Tenosynovitis "trigger finger" especially with all those clips to be undone and redone
corvus