New Thermarest Neoair AllSeason looks promising

[ninjapuppet]

which store did you get it from in the UK?
I picked my allseaons up for $112 from the US.

Looking forward to trying it out in the snowies in a few weeks, just hope theres still snow up there.
I have only come across 1 report of someone using it on snow. They found it comfortable, but that particular person also slept fine on snow on a regular neoair.... which i think is stretching it for most people. I have taken a regular neoair down to -5 and can feel the cold getting zapped out of me from underneath.

too bad there aint any snow in SA for you to try out.

[South_Aussie_Hiker]

Got it from ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk
They have so much stuff I need (want)!
Unfortunately won't be able to try it out sub zero, although I can try it out in my garage on the concrete floor - I've tried a few mats there overnight and the concrete really pulls the heat out.

[flyinglion2000]

Reviving and old thread now that summer is passing. How did those that purchased a Neoair AllSeason fair in the summer with their mats? Was it too hot / uncomfortable given the higher R rating and "heat reflective properties" of the mat?? What about those with just the Neoair of teh Neoair Xlite?

Would be interested in hearing your views on use in warmer weather as I am seriously looking at acquring such a beastie since I am looking at a one mat for all uses application.

[pazzar]

I haven't found it too warm in summer, but then I have only been using a very light summer sleeping bag. I have spent comfortable nights at 24-26 degrees and felt no considerable difference from sleeping at 10 degrees.

[ninjapuppet]

I used mine over summer and it was fine. Although this summer in Sydney was abit weired and not a typical summer. I sold mine to Bluegumic.
Bought an Xtherm from basegear but turned out its not available till next month so they refunded me.

why dont you wait another month and get an xtherm neoair? its warmer and lighter.

[Rob A]

those that purchased a Neoair AllSeason fair in the summer with their mats? Was it too hot / uncomfortable given the higher R rating and "heat reflective properties" of the mat?

In Queensland????

I gave up waiting and went with a Limon, which Ive used all over Kiwi. Ive given up zipping up my sleeping bag and now only use it as a quilt, and I dont get dressed to go to bed. I'll only be packing a sub kilo bag from now on.
The advantage of the regular shape is you can chock it off the side of the tent tub with your packing cells for 90% of your tenting which is not on level ground. It weighs zip.

Would I bother with the new one when it finally finally finally comes vailable? I'll give the snow a miss.

[flyinglion2000]

those that purchased a Neoair AllSeason fair in the summer with their mats? Was it too hot / uncomfortable given the higher R rating and "heat reflective properties" of the mat?

In Queensland????

Yes my point exactly Rob! I want to know from members experiences if this mat can perform acceptably in warm conditions (as well as the cold which by all accounts it can do). As i said I am after one mat to do all things I really don't want to buy two mats - SWMBO says I have too much gear as it is. And I plan on heading to the snow this season. Plus, as you point out, I can use a lighter bag / sleep system.

NinjaP, I will take a look at the Xtherm again to see if it is potentially as durable as the AllSeason.

[Bluegum Mic]

Hiya.

As ninja said Ive bought his. Im in QLD and yet to test it (first outing is Tassy in a few) however ill keep you posted (mind you these days Im usually off the ground in my hammock). I've got to do some seam sealing in the next week so I can set it and my POE ether up side by side and have a kip on both if you like. Usually round low 30s here by day at the moment.

[shurik]

Hey guys, anyone have taken this on a decent trial run yet? How do these compare? Will be purchasing a new mat soon and was really considering this one to use in both hot and cold seasons camping around NSW.

[north-north-west]

I've been doing a bit of snow camping with the AllSeason over the last couple of months. Very comfy and much warmer than the regular NeoAir.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I just went and purchased myself a All Season, i had a choose betwenn the All Terain or the X-Lite. Have i made a wise desicion? The X Lite was nice and light but the durability over time had me concerned, i purchased the regular size.

[Strider]

Have i made a wise desicion?

Awkward question.

In my eyes, no. But each to his own...

[ULWalkingPhil]

Have i made a wise desicion?

Awkward question.

In my eyes, no. But each to his own...

Ill see if i can exchange it for the X lite.

[Strider]

Have i made a wise desicion?

Awkward question.

In my eyes, no. But each to his own...

Ill see if i can exchange it for the X lite.

Don't do it on my account - I would've got an Exped.

The All Season is the pick of that bunch IMO.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I have till tommorrow morning to decide if i want to keep the all season or exchange for the Xlite. I own a exped, at 1200 grams its to heavy for me. 540 grams for the Allseason i can just barely justify, 340 grams for the Xlite is better, but i dont mind carrying the extra weight of the Allseason if it means i get a more comfortable sleep and longer life.

[Strider]

I have till tommorrow morning to decide if i want to keep the all season or exchange for the Xlite. I own a exped, at 1200 grams its to heavy for me. 540 grams for the Allseason i can just barely justify, 340 grams for the Xlite is better, but i dont mind carrying the extra weight of the Allseason if it means i get a more comfortable sleep and longer life.

All Season is definitely more durable fabric - 70D top and bottom from memory.

That is one heavy Exped!!

[frenchy_84]

Allseason is pretty much the same weight as the Exped UL Downmat though

[Strider]

Allseason is pretty much the same weight as the Exped UL Downmat though

The official Exped weight doesn't include the schnozzle pumpsack, stuffsack or repair kit.

Downmat UL 7 - 565g
Schnozzle sack - 63g
Stuffsack - 25g
Repair kit - 11g

So 664g all up (still half of Philip's version!).

Synmat UL would probably be a better choice given a high R-value is unlikely to be required in QLD.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I will be on the Larapinta Trail in late May early June. I also want to use the neoair on the Overland Track in both warmwe months and eventually in snow conditions. Maybe i should keep the Allseason and purchase a Xlite, that should cover all conditions.

[Strider]

I will be on the Larapinta Trail in late May early June. I also want to use the neoair on the Overland Track in both warmwe months and eventually in snow conditions. Maybe i should keep the Allseason and purchase a Xlite, that should cover all conditions.

No reason why the All Season can't do it all

[ULWalkingPhil]

I will be on the Larapinta Trail in late May early June. I also want to use the neoair on the Overland Track in both warmwe months and eventually in snow conditions. Maybe i should keep the Allseason and purchase a Xlite, that should cover all conditions.

No reason why the All Season can't do it all

I suppose it does say all season.

[norts]

I use an all seasons , really happy with it. I also have an exped downmat 7 short. like that too. The all seasons is now my preferred option as it packs down smaller than the exped.
Exped is alot easier to blow up with the inergrated pump but the all seasons has caught up as I now have made an inflator out of a silnylon pack liner. Don't like to use my breath and the bag inflator that came with the all season was just about useless.

Roger

[wildernesswanderer]

Bought my wife a All-Season as well, just been up in the Bogong High Plains and she loved it. Of course I had to blow it up Anyone tried to use Expeds little hand pump with a Therm-a-rest, might get one and see if I have to modify it to pump the mat up as the supplied stuff sac pump is useless

[ULWalkingPhil]

I got the Allseason out of its box and tried pumping using the supplied sack. After 5 minutes i also had to give up. I think the problem is the air escaping out of the valve on the allseason mat. If it had some sort of a one way valve, it would work a lot better.

[Picaro]

Just spotted this thread. I've inflated my allseason a couple of times with the bag now, and it does seem to act as a one way. But I just now checked and theres no valve in the bag adapter. On the video instructions it said to fully open the valve. Is it possible that you are not fully opening the valve and failing to activate whatever valve is there?

[ULWalkingPhil]

Using the supplied blow up sack to pump my allseason mat, it went up fairly quickly to about three quarters full. I than noticed with each pump in between refilling the bag with air, air was escaping out of the mats valve.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Just spotted this thread. I've inflated my allseason a couple of times with the bag now, and it does seem to act as a one way. But I just now checked and theres no valve in the bag adapter. On the video instructions it said to fully open the valve. Is it possible that you are not fully opening the valve and failing to activate whatever valve is there?

i will try the sack again now,

Still undecided if i will exchange this for the Xlite.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I read somewhere the Xlite is not as comfortable to sleep on as the Allseason. Would love to hear from those that own or have owned the two in the past on there impressions between the two.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Today I taken the Allseason back and replaced with the XLite. I just couldn't get over that, extra weight of the AllSeason. Ive spent a fair chunk of my funds of late to minimize my pack weight, for an extra 20.00 I saved over 200 grams.

Laying on the XLite for the past hour reading, now with the iPad in hand and I'm happy with the XLite, it fits my body perfectly and its very comfortable, more comfortable than expected, i dont feel this comfortable with my 9cm thick Exped Downmat, maybe its the way the baffles are laid on the NeoAir's, because its heaps more comfortable than my Exped.

I'm very happy with my purchase.

[wildernesswanderer]

I ended up buying this little Exped pump

http://www.kellysbasecamp.com.au/p/4831 ... mp-10.html

Thought it's cheap enough to see if I could modify if to hand pump a Therm-a-rest mat and yep it works, at 54g certainly is easier than the sack or your mouth. You take the bit out of the end of your therm-a-rest sack and it fits straight over the expel pumps opening. Simple as and easy as.