Bushwalking stoves on planes

[wildlight]

Or did they suspect that I might attempt tie-up several rows of passengers and the crew?

Maybe they thought you would rig a harness attaching the flight crew to the drinks trolley like a sled-team...

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[cjhfield]

This is off topic but I just wanted to add a few points:
- mobile phones dont make sparks. There has never been a case of a mobile phone causing a fire except when being recharged. Everyday millions of people fill their cars with a mobile in their pocket.
- sparks can be made by static electricity and metal objects striking the ground
- Ipads are approved for flight crew to read flight manuals
- airlines only pay lip service to the rules that electronic devices must be off suggesting they dont believe there is a problem
- I in no way suggest that passengers should not follow the rules and direction of flight crew to the letter even if they seem odd which is where the thread started - how to follow the rules for stoves.

Chris

[Strider]

- mobile phones dont make sparks. There has never been a case of a mobile phone causing a fire except when being recharged. Everyday millions of people fill their cars with a mobile in their pocket.

I distinctly remember an incident of a service station fire in the early 1990s that was attributed to a mobile phone. I even remember at the time Motorola issued a media release regarding the safety of their handsets in that regard, and it was quite specific - down to the battery millivolts used at the time.

*EDIT*

And here is a more recent example

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-205_162-617547.html

[ULWalkingPhil]

Tommorrow I will be on a flight to Sydney. Taking two empty 4 ounce containers for my Metho Stove flying with Virgin. One of the containers i have never used thus far, i can spell fuell in it, I have cleaned them out with water and soap a few times and left to dry with the cap of than placed some vegetable oil in the bottle and gave it another rinse, i have these sealed in a ziplock bag and will be checking them into my luggage.

Is this sufficient?

Im also curious in regards to eneloop AA batteries, I want to take 8 with me, should I day check them in and inform staff or carry on board with me?


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[Bluegum Mic]

Phillip Ive found that its more leaving Sydney to come back that they seem the most strict. When in Sydney its easier to present to the customer service desk first as the floor manager is often around there. Then you can fill out the declaration form. They seem to get stroppy if you go to check in and say you've got the stove. They just want to take it. I find its only when I dig my heels in that they then call the customer service desk (near the doors as you walk in) and then the manager comes and checks it and brings the paper work. I believe another person will check it as well when its down stairs. So perhaps go to the customer service desk first to save the issue. Id also phone virgin and get their protocol. I cant recall it but jetstar last time had a set thing on their form ie stove and canister must be washed in soapy water, left to dry for x amount and sealed in a plastic bag etc.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Phillip Ive found that its more leaving Sydney to come back that they seem the most strict. When in Sydney its easier to present to the customer service desk first as the floor manager is often around there. Then you can fill out the declaration form. They seem to get stroppy if you go to check in and say you've got the stove. They just want to take it. I find its only when I dig my heels in that they then call the customer service desk (near the doors as you walk in) and then the manager comes and checks it and brings the paper work. I believe another person will check it as well when its down stairs. So perhaps go to the customer service desk first to save the issue. Id also phone virgin and get their protocol. I cant recall it but jetstar last time had a set thing on their form ie stove and canister must be washed in soapy water, left to dry for x amount and sealed in a plastic bag etc.

I called virgin in regards to my dehydrated meals last week, but the girl I spoke had very bad english and could not understand me and i could hardly understand her, i wanted to know if I could take my own dehydrated meals, which is rice with mince meat and a little veges, i wrapped the meals in paper towel and double vacuum sealed them, after half hour on the phone with her, she finely told me I can take my meals, but make sure I let them know when I check the bags in.

I dont fancy calling them again after the dramas last week.


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[ULWalkingPhil]

I might call virgin and check with them, but I am only taking my Trail Designs 12-10 Metho stove and two empty 4 oz plastic bottle.

The metho stove I have cleaned and wrapped in paper than placed in a plastic container with lid and sealed in a ziploc bag.

The 4 ounce bottle is cleaned and dried till the smell is gone and wrapped in paper towel placed in two layers of ziploc bags.

Surely this would be sufficient?


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[Onestepmore]

I called virgin in regards to my dehydrated meals last week [edit] i wanted to know if I could take my own dehydrated meals, which is rice with mince meat and a little veges, i wrapped the meals in paper towel and double vacuum sealed them, after half hour on the phone with her, she finely told me I can take my meals, but make sure I let them know when I check the bags in.
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Why would there be a problem talking dehydrated meals within Australia?
Fruit - yes there are problems there, but surely there are no issues with food like this
Why do you have to let them know when you check your bags?

[ULWalkingPhil]

I called virgin in regards to my dehydrated meals last week [edit] i wanted to know if I could take my own dehydrated meals, which is rice with mince meat and a little veges, i wrapped the meals in paper towel and double vacuum sealed them, after half hour on the phone with her, she finely told me I can take my meals, but make sure I let them know when I check the bags in.
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Why would there be a problem talking dehydrated meals within Australia?
Fruit - yes there are problems there, but surely there are no issues with food like this
Why do you have to let them know when you check your bags?

I don't know, this is what I was told on the phone, she told me a few times to let them know that I have dehydrated meals when I check my bag in.

I have 4kg of dehydrated meals, not all mine, I have mixture off Strive food, freeze dried meals I purchased at BCF and my own dehydrated meals. i also have some cereals mixed with powdered milk in ziploc bags for breakfast.

I rarely ever fly, so this is all new for me and I want to make sure I don't have any issues at the airport, I have never flown with food, this will be a first for me.

I read as much as I could find on the subject, theres no where I can find that Virgin requires a filled out form for carrying my 12-10 stove. After all its only a piece of soft drink can, its not like I'm taking a gas stove.

I hope nothing gets confiscated.


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[Bluegum Mic]

Normally they smell it, argue for a bit then let you go on your merry way after you say ten times that youve cleaned it and your not carrying fuel etc etc. Lol
The only time Ive had to go to the lengths of filling out the paperwork was actually with my packafeather xl metho stove not with my gas stove (go figure). Most of the time its fine, just dont be trying to check in right bang on 30mins before your flight as it always seems to take ten minutes just to get them to back down. As I said it will likely be Sydney airport thats the problem. Ive never had an issue at brissy and flying in and out of tassie.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Normally they smell it, argue for a bit then let you go on your merry way after you say ten times that youve cleaned it and your not carrying fuel etc etc. Lol
The only time Ive had to go to the lengths of filling out the paperwork was actually with my packafeather xl metho stove not with my gas stove (go figure). Most of the time its fine, just dont be trying to check in right bang on 30mins before your flight as it always seems to take ten minutes just to get them to back down. As I said it will likely be Sydney airport thats the problem. Ive never had an issue at brissy and flying in and out of tassie.

Flying from the Gold Coast to Sydney,

When I fly out of Sydney I will not have any food with me.


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[South_Aussie_Hiker]

mobile phones dont make sparks. There has never been a case of a mobile phone causing a fire except when being recharged.

Lithium rechargeable batteries do not malfunction only during charge. In certain conditions, lithium batteries in modern devices can actually draw current at or above the rate when then are recharging. Lithium batteries which have been subjected to shock (such as dropping) can have internal damage which can lead to overheating.
The secondary reason all electronic devices have to be off during tarmac boarding (even tiny devices like iPod nano), is because they are a distraction. People are walking around aircraft in a busy environment amongst aircraft tugs, baggage trolleys, refuelling trucks, ground servicing vehicles etc. This is the same reason staff (who do it every day) still wear high vis clothing on the ramp.

Everyday millions of people fill their cars with a mobile in their pocket.

Everyday, millions of people choose to intentionally drive well above the speed limit. Doesn't mean it's an inherently safe thing to do. Putting one hand on the metal panels of the car and leaving it there before picking up the hose and until you finish refilling it is also a smart thing to do. See the link which was provided above.

sparks can be made by static electricity and metal objects striking the ground

Correct. It's why we want people concentrating when walking around aircraft, not juggling their bag and trying to hold their phone in the other. It's also why every aircraft is electrically bonded to ground and the refuelling equipment before refuelling is started.

Ipads are approved for flight crew to read flight manuals

Google strikes again... a little knowledge can be very bad! Our aircraft are in the process of being upgraded for flight deck iPad installation. The airline wanted to do this ages ago, but the testing regime was cost prohibitive. Eventually enough operators wanted it, so the certification costs were borne by the aircraft manufacturer and then it was offered to airlines.
The testing, approval and certifcation regime for our aircraft (for two iPads) was somewhere around US1.5 million dollars. From memory, it involved:
a) operating envelope testing on the devices (temperature, pressure, G load testing)
b) extensive EMF mapping
c) several hundred hours of inflight testing on an empty experimental aircaft (a huge cost)
d) shielding of previously unshielded wiring in the vicinity of the iPads
e) a fixed mount to prevent moving the device to somewhere it was untested and where the aircraft systems were unprotected
f) a significant risk assessment
g) a current restricted charing source, which is protected by multiple, thermal circuit breakers which can be manually isolated, and which is only activated by weight on wheels (to prevent charging in flight)
h) inhibiting of wifi and 3g with weight off wheels
i) training course for flight crew

Electronic devices in the cabin meet none of these requirements, and perhaps most importantly, users don't have immediate access to smoke goggles, oxygen masks and BCF fire extinguishers, or training in fire fighting. The two scenarios (approved, tested, certified installation vs. passneger devices in the cabin) are worlds apart.

airlines only pay lip service to the rules that electronic devices must be off suggesting they dont believe there is a problem

Yawn. Your experiences don't necessarily represent the greater population. Only four days ago, a Qantas crew called the Federal Police and the Attorney General of Australia (yep, you read that right) was officially cautioned for failing to follow the directions of flight crew, and turn off his mobile phone. If you ask me, he should have been charged.

I expect my cabin crew to vehemently enfore THE LAW, and I would like to think that if you've come across those who don't, they are in the minority.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Wow. Thats a lot of tests for a iPad.

Its good to see the airlines have such high safety standards today. This makes me feel a lot safer for my flight today.

Its only a matter of hours, I will be onboard to Sydney.
Two years ago was the first time I was on a plane in 20 years, i can remember taxing on the runway about to take of, i was a bit nervous and didn't know what to expect. In the end it was kind of fun, i enjoyed the views out the window.


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[ULWalkingPhil]

Wow. Thats a lot of tests for a iPad.

Its good to see the airlines have such high safety standards today. This makes me feel a lot safer for my flight today.

Its only a matter of hours, I will be onboard to Sydney.
Two years ago was the first time I was on a plane in 20 years, i can remember taxing on the runway about to take of, i was a bit nervous and didn't know what to expect. In the end it was kind of fun, i enjoyed the views out the window.
It was a much better experience than I remember 20 years ago.

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[ULWalkingPhil]

Just gone through checkout. No problems with my dehydrated meals. When I told them what I have in bag. They asked where I was flying to. I said Sydney. They said that's fine. Didn't even want to check them in my bag.

Here comes hiking:grin:

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[Onestepmore]

[ULWalkingPhil]

I managed to get my hands onto a MSR Windpro 2 stove in Sydney, thanks to MSR.

Im guessing its probably wise to mail this back home, when I am ready to return back home, instead of risking taking on a plane?

a few backpackers I been sharing hostel rooms with this week have had there stoves confiscated. one guy had the stove part of his jetboil confiscated, others have had there entire cook kit confiscated. It appears that this happens a lot.


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[Onestepmore]

a few backpackers I been sharing hostel rooms with this week have had there stoves confiscated. one guy had the stove part of his jetboil confiscated, others have had there entire cook kit confiscated.

i am assuming the jetboil was taken away because of the peizo ignition button?
And why would they confiscate a cook kit, ie pots and spoons and suchlike?
That makes no sense at all

[ULWalkingPhil]

a few backpackers I been sharing hostel rooms with this week have had there stoves confiscated. one guy had the stove part of his jetboil confiscated, others have had there entire cook kit confiscated.

i am assuming the jetboil was taken away because of the peizo ignition button?
And why would they confiscate a cook kit, ie pots and spoons and suchlike?
That makes no sense at all

Sorry, that should have read stove, not the complete kit such as pots etc.

The guy with the jetboil was only left with the top part.

I also heard someone on the way to Tasmania to do the Overland Track had his expensive MSR stove confiscated and had to purchase a new stove on arrival to Tasmania.


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[Strider]

Im guessing its probably wise to mail this back home, when I am ready to return back home, instead of risking taking on a plane?

Mail goes on a plane too, you know...

[ULWalkingPhil]

Im guessing its probably wise to mail this back home, when I am ready to return back home, instead of risking taking on a plane?

Mail goes on a plane too, you know...

Yes but have you ever heard of a backpacking stove confiscated when its mailed? I hear of stoves confiscated in checked in luggage but not in general freight. The very MSR stove I obtained from MSR in Sydney was mailed out to my nephews place via express post.