Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in canyons

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Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in canyons

Postby FatCanyoner » Thu 16 May, 2013 4:47 pm

Full review from my blog (http://fatcanyoners.org/bush-guide/brub ... o-extreme/) reproduced below:

Wet canyons can be extremely cold places, especially when they are more technical and require lots of time spent pulling down ropes while swimming in icy water or rigging abseils in the chilly spray of a waterfall.

While many people solve that with wetsuits, the added weight and bulk in my pack, not to mention the reduced mobility in the canyon, make me steer clear for all but the coldest trips. Especially for multi-day, remote, or exploratory trips, I’d rather leave the wetsuit at home.

Traditionally that’s left me with polypropylene thermals. They’re essentially the ‘McDonalds’ option: cheap and nasty but they do the job. So when Kasia from Globewalker offered me the chance to test the Brubeck Merino Extreme thermal top and long johns I jumped at the chance.

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Over the course of summer I’ve used them extensively in cold canyon environments, sometimes alone, sometimes with a light thermal over the top, and occasionally under a spring suit. For the long johns, I’ve tested them to the point of failure. Interestingly, the top was much tougher and probably has at least another canyoning season left in it.

Technical specifications:

I’m pretty sure everyone reading this has at least had a look at merino thermals, if not worn them. They have a range of selling points: it’s a natural fibre, it’s soft yet strong, it’s very warm, and best of all it doesn’t get stinky.

The difference with the Merino Extreme is the thickness of the fabric that is used. It weighs in at an astounding 236 grams per square metre, making it much heavier (and therefor warmer) than other merino thermals on the market.

Interestingly, it’s less than two thirds wool. It actually contains 37 per cent Polyamide and two per cent Elastane, which I assume is about providing additional strength and flexibility to the garment.

The mix also apparently means you don’t get the scratchy feeling of straight wool (although my wife’s sensitive skin still found them slightly irritating) while still retaining the bacteria killing properties that keeps wool from smelling on long sweaty hikes.

The manufacturer pitches these thermals as a base layer for extremely low temperatures, with “high thermo insulating properties” and “natural thermoregulation” that wicks away moisture and retains its thermal properties when wet.

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Testing:

This product is normally pitched to people after an extremely warm base layer for activities like winter walking, skiing or mountaineering. I didn’t know anyone who’d tried this thick merino fabric for canyoning.

Over the course of summer these thermals probably did between 20 and 30 days in the bush. From short easy canyons to long cold efforts. They also came along for some tougher multi-day trips where a wetsuit would have been extremely inconvenient.

After taking them out of the packet I put them straight on, curious to feel the difference with my usual polypros. The fit was snug but they were flexible enough not to impede any movements. I was a little blown away by how warm they felt, and the fact that after a matter of minutes I had to take them off. They felt sturdy, but I was a little unsure how they’d deal with the abrasive rocks and spiky branches they’d encounter in Australian canyons.

I often do the canyon walk in wearing my polypro thermals, but I quickly discovered these were too warm for that, and required me to change near the start of the canyon.

Once on, they warmed me up fast, and true to their promise they retained much of that warmth when wet.

I was a little unsure how they’d hold up to the abuse of canyoning (where unlike normal activities the arms and legs are directly exposed to damage). Surprisingly, the shirt suffered very little damage. It has a few small holes, but they have not grown with additional use.

The pants on the other side struggled. I quickly damaged the knees while scrambling, and the hole on my left knee became massive after catching on a branch. I wasn’t surprised though, as my polypro long johns are always torn to shreds too.

The one major disappointment was the crotch panel on the pants. Even when new it seemed to be a weaker construction, and before long it began to give out. By the end there was basically nothing left of this panel. This was the only damage that I couldn’t attribute to my use. It also concerned me that any outdoor activity that required extensive leg movement would likely cause the same failing.

The other issue was that the thick fabric, while still warm when wet, becomes very heavy. It also takes a long time to dry out. Whether wearing it or putting it in my pack for the walk out, I’d estimate the garments double in weight when wet.

As far as the promise of remaining smell free, it was hard to tell as in canyons you’re often in water, but they definitely remained odourless as far as I could tell, including in sweatier dryer section. I did notice that when the dirty thermals were left in my pack or the laundry they definitely didn’t smell as bad as my polypro stuff usually does.

Conclusion:

I almost feel like I need to review the top and bottoms separately.

The top exceeded my expectations. It was very warm, even in wet or windy conditions. It was hard wearing, showing very little signs of damage. It held its shape and remained comfortable.

The long johns on the other hand were always doomed to failure. Scrambling, chimneying and kneeling were always going to destroy the knees — as they do to polypro thermals. I was extremely disappointed by the crotch panel, which seems to be a design weakness.

In the end I was taking the top, but not the bottoms on trips. I think that is a practice I will definitely continue to do for wet canyons.

Now that we’re coming into winter I’m also looking to use them in the conditions they were designed for. I am quite confident that as an extremely warm base layer they will perform well. They wick sweat, and in pursuits where they don’t get soaking wet they won’t end up too heavy.

So would I buy them?

While expensive (the top is $109 in Australia), they definitely provide some serious bang for your buck. And the fact that they use merino wool from Australia and New Zealand is a positive. I think the top is worth the investment if you want a thermal top that is extremely warm while using (predominantly) natural fibres.

The bottoms on the other hand are no good for canyoning, in my opinion. I’d rather stick with cheap polypro for that job. Even for other pursuits I’d be concerned by the poorly designed crotch panel. I definitely hope they are updated and that is fixed, as it is one of the few drawbacks to these items.

Rating:

Durability / toughness — 3.5/5
Usefulness — 3.5/5
Value for money — 3/5
Overall — 3.5/5

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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby north-north-west » Thu 16 May, 2013 5:59 pm

Maybe you're just a little too well endowed. :wink:
Cute jocks, btw.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby FatCanyoner » Thu 16 May, 2013 6:48 pm

north-north-west wrote:Maybe you're just a little too well endowed. :wink:


Yes, that's the problem... :lol: :lol: :lol:

north-north-west wrote:Cute jocks, btw.


I don't wear undies normally... In fact, I only realised I'd blown out the crotch when I discovered my crackers were hanging free! :shock:

I thought I'd adhere to the family friendly principles of bushwalk.com and put some jocks on for the photo. Plus I figured red made the gaping hole stand out more.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby stepbystep » Thu 16 May, 2013 7:03 pm

Wow I got mine the other day I thought they felt lighter than the top. Shall have to wait and see how they go for bushwalking usage over winter.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby Strider » Thu 16 May, 2013 7:29 pm

north-north-west wrote:Maybe you're just a little too well endowed. :wink:
Cute jocks, btw.

Go on one of his nude bushwalks if you wish to confirm this! :lol:
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby forest » Fri 17 May, 2013 7:33 am

I wear a Rab Meco 120 LS shirt whilst track walking, this is much thinner but shares the Merino/Poly blend which I find faster drying than straight merino.

One thing I will add is I have found it less able to handle stretching etc when it's wet. Not sure if that's just a property of the wool, or of the blend ??
I have torn my shirt in two small places when donning it back on after a quick bush shirt wash.
The tear's have just been where I have grabbed a fist full of wet shirt which is resistant as it's wet and just pulled a tad hard.
Never had an issue with it when it's dry, or even slightly wet etc. More so when it's drenched.
Not sure if the extra pressure of a harness and the climbing when wet might make the pants tear easier than normal use.

Either that or your "red" package just wanted OUT !!
Why did I choose to be looking at this thread, That picture when my wife looked over my shoulder....... Took some explaning and I'm sure she thinks bushwalkers are ever stranger that the strangeness she already knows of :oops:
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby FatCanyoner » Mon 20 May, 2013 7:58 pm

forest wrote:I wear a Rab Meco 120 LS shirt whilst track walking, this is much thinner but shares the Merino/Poly blend which I find faster drying than straight merino.


Interesting. I'll have to check this out. I'm definitely getting into walking in light merino. The faster drying blend sounds wonderful for that.

forest wrote:The tear's have just been where I have grabbed a fist full of wet shirt which is resistant as it's wet and just pulled a tad hard.
Never had an issue with it when it's dry, or even slightly wet etc. More so when it's drenched.
Not sure if the extra pressure of a harness and the climbing when wet might make the pants tear easier than normal use.


Interesting theory. It might be worth me testing it on the legs of those pants etc now that they are cactus. It'd be interesting if that is the case. It would definitely a weakness for any wool product in canyons...

forest wrote:Why did I choose to be looking at this thread, That picture when my wife looked over my shoulder....... Took some explaning and I'm sure she thinks bushwalkers are ever stranger that the strangeness she already knows of :oops:


Sorry about that. But bushwalkers are extremely strange. I'd be surprised if she could actually think you were any weirder!
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby north-north-west » Tue 21 May, 2013 9:46 pm

FatCanyoner wrote:
forest wrote:Why did I choose to be looking at this thread, That picture when my wife looked over my shoulder....... Took some explaning and I'm sure she thinks bushwalkers are ever stranger that the strangeness she already knows of :oops:

Sorry about that. But bushwalkers are extremely strange. I'd be surprised if she could actually think you were any weirder!


Meh. Bushwalkers are pretty straight compared to some groups. If you want really weird, get with the cavers.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby roysta » Sat 25 May, 2013 11:58 am

Just received mine.
How good is this stuff.
Will get to test it early next week on the way up to Brewster Hut.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby wayno » Sat 25 May, 2013 12:21 pm

review should have come with a warning "contains graphic content" you could have photographed the crotch just as easily when you werent wearing them and spared us that image
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Postby Strider » Sat 25 May, 2013 12:35 pm

wayno wrote:review should have come with a warning "contains graphic content" you could have photographed the crotch just as easily when you werent wearing them and spared us that image
i think i'll skip lunch now, and dinner...
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Nothing graphic about it Wayno. We're not in high school anymore...
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby wayno » Sat 25 May, 2013 12:43 pm

Strider wrote:
wayno wrote:review should have come with a warning "contains graphic content" you could have photographed the crotch just as easily when you werent wearing them and spared us that image
i think i'll skip lunch now, and dinner...
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Nothing graphic about it Wayno. We're not in high school anymore...


well YOU may not be :mrgreen:
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby FatCanyoner » Sat 25 May, 2013 1:40 pm

wayno wrote:review should have come with a warning "contains graphic content"...


Wow, if that was too much for you best steer clear of the rest of the blog... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby Pongo » Sun 26 May, 2013 4:28 am

Are you guys on some sort of mailing list? What is with the "I just got mine and..."?

Meanwhile, I will be happily reviewing whatever gear is sent to me... :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby roysta » Sun 26 May, 2013 4:46 pm

Pongo wrote:Are you guys on some sort of mailing list? What is with the "I just got mine and..."?


No Pongo, I'm not on a mailing list.
I saw Fatcanyoner's review and thought the gear looked good for me, so I ordered a couple of tops and a bottom.
I'm impressed and will take the top to NZ tomorrow for use in the hills near Haast.
The top weighs just under 300g and would fall somewhere between the 260 and 320 Icebreakers.
I'll give my impressions next week.
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Re: Brubeck Merino Extreme thermals - put to the test in can

Postby wayno » Sun 26 May, 2013 4:55 pm

it should get put to the test in NZ next week

http://metservice.com/national/warnings ... r-advisory
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Postby roysta » Sun 26 May, 2013 6:44 pm

wayno wrote:it should get put to the test in NZ next week

http://metservice.com/national/warnings ... r-advisory


Excellent!!!
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