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[Nuts]

I was never in, but i'm out. My sentiment stands, if not Only for sbs.

[aloftas]

Double post sorry....

More Latin here than a Gladiators event, and more distress than a Grecan drama.

On Forestry, "per se"...

If ONLY we could have a system which was selective, which was minimal impact, coupled with a well thought out fire plan...

if only...


years ago, things were probably harder...but probably better.

We need FT to keep these roads open....literally...

meaning, that if FT folds as mooted...who actually is going to manage the forests and roads, fire breaks?

Forestry and tourism must walk together.

We need a balance a workable forestry model, along side and in conjunction with a workable tourism model. ie. this is how we manage our forests, so you tourists are able to use the wilderness which is locked up...via the forestry roads..

I think, unless you want to live in a vegan yurt, it is g=hypocritical to denigrate the role of forestry.

Must, however be coupled with conservation ethos.
Man...what a jaded argument....all my life, the conservation ethos pitted against the values of agriculture, mining and forestry...

we need it all...
Unrtunately, vested interests create situations where outcomes are predetermined and steps taken to elicit those desired outcomes.

"Consensus Programming"


Like a coin operated amusement game.

Your coin, their amusement.

A bit like moderation in schools.

A pathetic, abject and pi poor result in lamentable literacy and atrocious history,implausible physics and gen "why?!" general knowledge...designed to elevate the whole at the expense of those cognisant.

What is it?

Don't parents teach their kids anymore?

Cant blame the teachers, and neither can we blame the mediocre beaurocrats who are doing the bidding of interest groups.

[Hallu]

Sad to see that Corvus and Nuts always move to personal attacks and destroy all discussion.

[Nuts]

hmmm, argh, it's not hard with you bagel breath, you hardly seem to bother reading! where? no?, second thoughts, yes, don't bother!

[GPSGuided]

Relax guys. SBS, whilst I'm not a Tassie resident, I am still interested in the environmental situation there. Please keep us posted on any further developments in this area, positive or destructive. Thanks!

[RichB]

Yes all this speaking in tongues and drivle is a bit silly and off the topic of what matters..As far as the environmental situation here in Tassie goes...80% of the population in Tasmania couldnt care less about the environment or wildlife that they are blessed with...all you have to do is take a drive around this beautiful island and see the mountains of rubbish on the side of the road..Stop your car at a parking spot on any road, look over the side and see the mountains of dumped rubbish there too, even in some national parks..You cant help but notice the hundreds of dead and injured wildlife splattered all over the road here,some run over on purpose because the bogan sees it as pest, and dont forget the Tasmanian Govt are bogans too...tree cutters,environmental vandals maybe worse than some 3rd world countries..Yes i love Tassie, its so beautiful, we just have a huge amount of bogan trogs here that dont feel the same..and when you hear the old saying that Tasmania has 2 headed folk..Just take a walk around Burnie on a day time..

[Nuts]

Ok, apologies GPS.

(edit: i'm guessing hallu is talking about being 'set straight')

This coup is not in the national park, it's under forestry tenure in a 'Permanent Timber Production Zone'.
I don't accept the notion that the logging was hidden (operational info along with the road closure notices) or that way intended in future (ie not even a buffer zone to calm the tourist eye).
Log trucks do what they do, locals expect it and it's not hard to find out when, tourists probably need to be apart from active logging.

All the while wanting to see an end to the situation where 'we' (the lovely citizens of this great state) still need, or think we need, to cut down big trees in an area such as this.

(edit: & I was out of line with the bagels)

discuss

[vicrev]

What....are you people on ?????...........

[Nuts]

I think it's hump month for us locals Vicrev, some of these guys could do with something. Really, it's become stifling the number of cut-throat interjections that don't contribute anything, (such as this) it's almost not funny.

[vicrev]

........Are the moon phases different down there ?????

[Mechanic-AL]

Would somebody here please be able to confirm that trees of the stature that we are discussing here are not still being felled to simply become......paper?
Please tell me that if they are coming down they going to a much more noble cause?

AL

[GPSGuided]

I agree, need some verification of FT's suspected actions.

[pazzar]

Yes all this speaking in tongues and drivle is a bit silly and off the topic of what matters..As far as the environmental situation here in Tassie goes...80% of the population in Tasmania couldnt care less about the environment or wildlife that they are blessed with...all you have to do is take a drive around this beautiful island and see the mountains of rubbish on the side of the road..Stop your car at a parking spot on any road, look over the side and see the mountains of dumped rubbish there too, even in some national parks..You cant help but notice the hundreds of dead and injured wildlife splattered all over the road here,some run over on purpose because the bogan sees it as pest, and dont forget the Tasmanian Govt are bogans too...tree cutters,environmental vandals maybe worse than some 3rd world countries..Yes i love Tassie, its so beautiful, we just have a huge amount of bogan trogs here that dont feel the same..and when you hear the old saying that Tasmania has 2 headed folk..Just take a walk around Burnie on a day time..

Where are your sources on those numbers Rich? The Greens party receive roughly 15% of the vote in Tasmania, and I'm sure not all Lib/Lab voters are environmental vandals, so I don't think your numbers are overly accurate. I get the suspicion that you are in the NW where anti-green sentiment is the highest in the state. I'm guessing this is where you get your ideas from. Perhaps if you ventured outside your little Burnie Bubble you would understand that not all of Tasmania thinks the same way. I think you are quick to generalise the people of Burnie too. I grew up there and I think I've turned out alright. If you take a walk around the town you generally see a bunch of kids (maybe causing a little trouble) who are bored. What this area needs is jobs, not high and mighty locals looking down on them telling them that they will never be anything different.

[corvus]

Sad to see that Corvus and Nuts always move to personal attacks and destroy all discussion.

Where is my personal attack Hallu, I am I not allowed to question others ??

[Grindelwalddave]

RichB refers to a worrying apathy of Tasmanians when it comes to an environmental issues. In the 1990s and 2000s Launceston residents were largely oblivious to the logging frenzy that was taking place on the flanks of the North East mountains and magnificent stands of bush were converted to plantations. Drive through Burns Creek, Blessington and Roses Tier show extensive landscape change. Stop your car on the way up Ben Lomond and look at the flanks of the mountain through the narrow band of roadside trees, plantations everywhere where native bush once stood. Climb any major mountain in the North East and the results of that frenzy are clear to see with the patchwork quilt of nitens plantations amongst remnant stands of native forest. River siltation and log jams on the Nile were other tangible effects. So where are we in 2015? Until recently I thought the days of logging coupes such as the one on Arve Road were coming to an end but now I'm not so sure. Not so long ago there were rallys in Hobart of 10000 or more protesting against old growth logging. If there was a protest tomorrow I doubt whether more than a few hundred would turn up. People don't seem to care anymore. Politicians of major parties dismiss those that are concerned about old growth logging as "greenies" and know they won't vote for them anyway.

[pazzar]

Apathy does not make one a bogan though.

[GPSGuided]

Weather must be pretty foul there in Tassie. Are people getting stir crazy?

[Taurë-rana]

I think the reason that people here believe that it is ok to log is 1 because there are no jobs here and they think logging provides jobs, and 2 because they believe that there is still lots of native forest left in Tassie. Lies heard enough times eventually get believed, as we are seeing with the Abbott government's increasing success with convincing the population about the danger of terrorism, asylum seekers and the budget deficit.

When you are trying to live on very little money, becoming totally demoralised about ever getting a job, it's easy to blame someone and greens are the obvious scapegoat. Yes, there are lots of bogans here, but there are lots of apathetic, selfish, uncaring high income earners who don't think they are bogans elsewhere who are just as bad for the planet if not worse because they consume more.

And for anyone who believes Forestry Tas, or believe that what they do is good for the state, you obviously haven't listened to their lies, and watched their business practices and destruction for as long as I have. We have a little bit left of something that is getting rarer and rarer on the planet, and they want to chop it down? They've been putting in plantations for so many years and saying it's sustainable, why are they still targeting old growth forests? I wouldn't believe in no logging if we had managed our forests sustainably but we haven't and we have run out of old forests that are 'spare'. We can't just keep cutting them down, they are not replaceable.

[GPSGuided]

Report from the ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/t ... ce/6633316

[vicrev]

I would be more concerned about the report ..Specialty wood workers want access to heritage growth.......Timber for specialist boats furniture .....Seems like Tassie has become the Bunnings of Oz..........Open the floodgates a little bit & all of a sudden,they come crashing down...............

[flyfisher]

Good post T R.

I'm afraid not many people from outside Tassie really understand the issues here.

FF

[vicrev]

More like people outside Tassie don't care about issues there .....................how about that Hobbitle not one comma .......

[weetbix456]

"All Greens should be shot!" Quote of the day - scrawled x2 on the walls of an Ouse public toilet block.

Bogans do exude a kind of applaudable..."style"

[GPSGuided]

More like people outside Tassie don't care about issues there

Quite the contrary. What surprised me though was the govt the Tasmanians continue to vote in. For a long time I have always thought Tasmania is the centre of the Green movement and had statewide support. Surprised me quite a few years back when the 'anti-environment' govt got repeatedly voted in, suggesting the political allegiance wasn't so simple on the island state. When it comes to one's wallet and job, the environment can be sacrificed, no different to most other societies.

[north-north-west]

I think the reason that people here believe that it is ok to log is 1 because there are no jobs here and they think logging provides jobs, and 2 because they believe that there is still lots of native forest left in Tassie. Lies heard enough times eventually get believed, as we are seeing with the Abbott government's increasing success with convincing the population about the danger of terrorism, asylum seekers and the budget deficit.

When you are trying to live on very little money, becoming totally demoralised about ever getting a job, it's easy to blame someone and greens are the obvious scapegoat. Yes, there are lots of bogans here, but there are lots of apathetic, selfish, uncaring high income earners who don't think they are bogans elsewhere who are just as bad for the planet if not worse because they consume more.

And for anyone who believes Forestry Tas, or believe that what they do is good for the state, you obviously haven't listened to their lies, and watched their business practices and destruction for as long as I have. We have a little bit left of something that is getting rarer and rarer on the planet, and they want to chop it down? They've been putting in plantations for so many years and saying it's sustainable, why are they still targeting old growth forests? I wouldn't believe in no logging if we had managed our forests sustainably but we haven't and we have run out of old forests that are 'spare'. We can't just keep cutting them down, they are not replaceable.

Wish there was an applause emoticon.

Well said, TR.

[MickyB]

I think the reason that people here believe that it is ok to log is 1 because there are no jobs here and they think logging provides jobs, and 2 because they believe that there is still lots of native forest left in Tassie. Lies heard enough times eventually get believed, as we are seeing with the Abbott government's increasing success with convincing the population about the danger of terrorism, asylum seekers and the budget deficit.

When you are trying to live on very little money, becoming totally demoralised about ever getting a job, it's easy to blame someone and greens are the obvious scapegoat. Yes, there are lots of bogans here, but there are lots of apathetic, selfish, uncaring high income earners who don't think they are bogans elsewhere who are just as bad for the planet if not worse because they consume more.

And for anyone who believes Forestry Tas, or believe that what they do is good for the state, you obviously haven't listened to their lies, and watched their business practices and destruction for as long as I have. We have a little bit left of something that is getting rarer and rarer on the planet, and they want to chop it down? They've been putting in plantations for so many years and saying it's sustainable, why are they still targeting old growth forests? I wouldn't believe in no logging if we had managed our forests sustainably but we haven't and we have run out of old forests that are 'spare'. We can't just keep cutting them down, they are not replaceable.

Wish there was an applause emoticon.

Well said, TR.

[north-north-west]

Green eyes and all. Thanks, Micky.

[Hallu]

hmmm, argh, it's not hard with you bagel breath, you hardly seem to bother reading! where? no?, second thoughts, yes, don't bother!

Your rampant racism doesn't even surprise me in the least...

[Nuts]

It's customary here to thank people for helping you. Stop trolling Hallu, it's a good discussion.

[stepbystep]

For the doubters and uninformed this peg marks the site for the central cable logging tower, a number(6 I think) tags mark where the support wires will be placed, 2 are in this shot marked by pink tags.

Thankfully I'm off to 'The Reserve' tomorrow and can put some of the sadness behind me in regards to this coupe, and immerse myself in a protected landscape. My only hope is some of those defending antiquated practices can expand their views. So pleased by some of the PM's that have come my way, a couple from unexpected quarters, thanks to you guys. I'm so devastated this forest is being murdered. Such folly.

Fight for what sustains us, against those that aim to divide us.