icefest wrote:I can't say I recommend the 10 pack of tissues. They are made from longer fibres and while strong, decompose much slower. Toilet paper is designed to fall apart much faster.
I don't bother with a trowel anymore. I have my walking poles and when combined with a stick they make wonderful digging implements.
If you do get a trowel, remember to wash it after you go bushwalking - we don't want phytophora spreading even further.
icefest wrote:Using more paper that decomposes fast is preferable to leaving it there for ages. Toilet paper is designed to fall apart when it gets wet. Tissues will stay together. Once toilet paper fibres are dissipated and soiled, they decompose much faster than tissues.
Mark F wrote:As this is the UL forum the answer is to not add weight by buying/carrying something extra - use a tent peg you already carry or find a pointy stick.
Orion wrote:You guys don't carry it out? That's standard operating procedure here in California. It's the law, actually. Everyone knows that TP hangs around for a while. Maybe not forever, especially in wetter climates. But seeing so much of it over the years changed my mind pretty early. I've seen it in Tasmania too.
kitty wrote:A good suggestion from this forum is instead of a roll of TP, take a few small packets of tissues. This is a good safeguard against an entire roll getting wet.
Nuts wrote:Need receptacles on popular walking tracks to encourage baggies, old school thinking it may be.
That titanium trowel, that could double as a snow or sand peg.kitty wrote:A good suggestion from this forum is instead of a roll of TP, take a few small packets of tissues. This is a good safeguard against an entire roll getting wet.
Don't take the roll from your pack, remove the cardboard centre (UL- ) and the roll can be carried on end (freezerbag- UL ) and simply enough for each event drawn out from its centre.
corvus wrote:Nuts wrote:Need receptacles on popular walking tracks to encourage baggies, old school thinking it may be.
That titanium trowel, that could double as a snow or sand peg.kitty wrote:A good suggestion from this forum is instead of a roll of TP, take a few small packets of tissues. This is a good safeguard against an entire roll getting wet.
Don't take the roll from your pack, remove the cardboard centre (UL- ) and the roll can be carried on end (freezerbag- UL ) and simply enough for each event drawn out from its centre.
Be nice to know beforehand how much you may need using this method
icefest wrote: .......I spend thinking ahead about my poo spot. (Personal preference >50m from trail, >100m from water, nice view, soft ground). Life's too short to have a crappy poo.
stry wrote:corvus wrote:Nuts wrote:Need receptacles on popular walking tracks to encourage baggies, old school thinking it may be.
That titanium trowel, that could double as a snow or sand peg.
Don't take the roll from your pack, remove the cardboard centre (UL- ) and the roll can be carried on end (freezerbag- UL ) and simply enough for each event drawn out from its centre.
Be nice to know beforehand how much you may need using this method
Nuts wrote:1 square for folders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua0YCM35cik
Alittleruff wrote:Poo hole digger question... and 2 pages of info! That is so, so funny.
Orion wrote:icefest wrote:Using more paper that decomposes fast is preferable to leaving it there for ages. Toilet paper is designed to fall apart when it gets wet. Tissues will stay together. Once toilet paper fibres are dissipated and soiled, they decompose much faster than tissues.
You guys don't carry it out? That's standard operating procedure here in California. It's the law, actually.
DaveNoble wrote:Orion wrote:icefest wrote:Using more paper that decomposes fast is preferable to leaving it there for ages. Toilet paper is designed to fall apart when it gets wet. Tissues will stay together. Once toilet paper fibres are dissipated and soiled, they decompose much faster than tissues.
You guys don't carry it out? That's standard operating procedure here in California. It's the law, actually.
I can understand that being a good practice high up in the Sierras where the ground is only free of snow for a couple of months of the year. But is it the "law"? I just checked wild camping regulations for Yosemite, Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks and they talk about digging deep holes away from water etc.
Dave
DaveNoble wrote:Orion wrote:icefest wrote:Using more paper that decomposes fast is preferable to leaving it there for ages. Toilet paper is designed to fall apart when it gets wet. Tissues will stay together. Once toilet paper fibres are dissipated and soiled, they decompose much faster than tissues.
You guys don't carry it out? That's standard operating procedure here in California. It's the law, actually.
I can understand that being a good practice high up in the Sierras where the ground is only free of snow for a couple of months of the year. But is it the "law"? I just checked wild camping regulations for Yosemite, Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks and they talk about digging deep holes away from water etc.
nq111 wrote:I found the practice ok up high on the glaciers where the contents froze in the bag, stayed that way and were pretty much were inert. I certainly feel differently about the idea of carrying it in my pack here in the tropics!
Orion wrote:nq111 wrote:I found the practice ok up high on the glaciers where the contents froze in the bag, stayed that way and were pretty much were inert. I certainly feel differently about the idea of carrying it in my pack here in the tropics!
Carrying poo in a pack would demand an airtight container of some sort, at least for me it would. The various bags aren't fully sealable and they stink.
I was in Indian Creek, Utah car camping and rock climbing for a week. They had just instituted a carry out rule because the fragile desert soil was being thrashed by so many feet in search of someplace to dig a hole, as well as by the contents of the holes. So I had a few of those little "wag bag" thingies with me. I also had some sort of intestinal problem and ended up reusing each bag multiple times. Like ten times. And it was hot there during the day so the bags would visibly swell.
Let me tell you, opening one of those up in the hot sun to use yet again for like the eighth time was not a pleasant experience.
simonm wrote:Thanks for that descriptive post Orion - my coffee is somehow a little less enjoyable now.
Orion wrote:simonm wrote:Thanks for that descriptive post Orion - my coffee is somehow a little less enjoyable now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxD2VmZiLJ0
simonm ... I can also get in ti snow pegs, if people are interested.
sim1oz wrote:simonm ... I can also get in ti snow pegs, if people are interested.
I'm interested to find out more about the ti snow pegs!
Alittleruff wrote:
Mark F- Thank you for your reply. It does make me feel very unwelcome in this section. I don't carry any extra tent pegs, and mine are nothing like the ones pictured. They are small, and used for my tent. I don't want to dismantle my tent to go to the toilet or if my children decide that they need to go. Keep in mind the reason why I want to go UL is not so that the pack I'm carrying is light, it is because I need to carry enough for at least two people. I thought people that do UL would be the best resource to have these kind of questions answered.
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