Is this bag warm enough for Tassie? [split]

[Sphinx]

oki doki thank you!

an other quick question: I have a very light sleeping bag: +7 °C comfort . but I also have a thermal liner that is supposed to increase the temperature of about 18 °C. Supposing that will never work like that, i'm pretty sure it can "increase" the limit for 10 °C at least. Sleeping with thermals and this sleeping bag + thermal liner, do you think will be ok in Tazzie in autumn? Don't want to spend a lot to buy a good sleeping bag only for this temporary use...
thanx again!

luca

[Lizzy]

I'm sure some Tasmanians will respond- but I would be cold in that. I don't think those liners do anywhere near what they say they can. You could get some snow/rain/wind/cold & in an airy tent you may be chilly. Maybe a down jacket to help.... but I would think it would be safer with a warmer bag.
cheers
Lizzy

[samh]

It would be good to know exactly which sleeping bag you have to make a better judgement. In April you could face any kind of weather down in Tassie, even below 0° C. Your liner will never increase your temperature rating by 10 °C, maybe more like 2 or 3. With your tent having an all mesh inner it could get really cold. I'm not saying that you wont survive, maybe the weather will be nice but if it get's cold it could be very uncomfortable.

[Sphinx]

here we go:
sleeping bag: Vango comfort +7 to +25, extreme -7°C , here the link from ebay where I did buy it from
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vango-7c-Venom-1 ... 56436efe69

and the liner:
sea 2 summit thermo Reactor EXTREME Sleeping Bag Liner (Increase temp rating up to 14 degrees)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Sea-2-Summit-The ... 465wt_1141

it seems very warm actually .. dunno if it will really increase the temp rating up to 14, but i guess up to 7-8 should ..
what do u think guys??

[corvus]

G'day Luca,
The sleeping bag and thermal liner will be on the edge of your comfort zone in the Ferrino Lightweight 1 tent provided that as I mentioned before you wear extra clothes to bed (Down or Fleece jacket would help) and you have a good sleeping mat you should manage.
Sleeping comfort is a very personal thing and subject to many factors, my advice is based on past experience and I personally would be cold in your set up but I suspect that the resilience of youth will see you through.
corvus

[ULWalkingPhil]

Maybe the addition of a Exped Downmat will be all you need with that setup, although they are expensive here in Australia. They say with the Downmat you can get away with a cooler sleeping bag, I can vouch for this, as I own a Exped Downmat 9 deluxe, and it's like sleeping on a heater. The coldest condition I've tested it so far was two nights ago at The Royal National Park camping on the exposed coastline, Rained all night and very windy, I was warm with a $5.00 sleeping bag I picked up at a auction, I don't know what the rating is on the bag, but it's not very thick, I've seen the same bag in disposal stores for $40.00,

I'm interested in the bag you posted the link to. I would like to hear back on this bag on EBay with my Downmat, would this setup be warm enough?
I should mention, I also own a Hilleberg 4 season expedition tent.

[ninjapuppet]

I used a Warmer version, the vango venom extreme rated -10c in a fully enclosed tent, with liners, thermals and down jackets on the overland track, and it was very very cold. This was in feb.

I don't trust Vango anymore.

Luckily I boiled 2 L of water and used them as hotwater bottles.

[sthughes]

Yeah with that bag and tent combo I'd be very cold on a cold night with a breeze. With extra clothes, a good mat, hearty meal before bed and maybe a $2 thermal blanket I'd be okay, but still probably cool. But it all depends where you go, what the weather is like and of course how much you feel the cold. It could be perfectly barmy, you just can't pick it.

[ILUVSWTAS]

I don't trust Vango anymore.

No they are rubbish! I got a tent, used it a couple of times and I no longer trust it in a breeze!! Just total rubbish gear.

[doogs]

I don't trust Vango anymore.

No they are rubbish! I got a tent, used it a couple of times and I no longer trust it in a breeze!! Just total rubbish gear.

I am interested which tent you have. I have a Vango Tempest, which I bought as an interim until I can afford a decent mountain tent. For $130 it has done well on the few trips I have taken it on. It isn't the most fantastic tent but I am happy with my choice, so much so that a new tent has moved down a few places in my list of priorities.

[ILUVSWTAS]

Vango Helium 100.

[ninjapuppet]

The coldest condition I've tested it so far was two nights ago at The Royal National Park camping on the exposed coastline, Rained all night and very windy, I was warm with a $5.00 sleeping bag I picked up at a auction, I don't know what the rating is on the bag, but it's not very thick, I've seen the same bag in disposal stores for $40.00,

I'm interested in the bag you posted the link to. I would like to hear back on this bag on EBay with my Downmat, would this setup be warm enough?
I should mention, I also own a Hilleberg 4 season expedition tent.

Phil, I just checked msn weather, and the coldest it got along the coast at otford over the past week, was 14 degrees every night, and there was 0mm of rain until yesterday, so whatever rain you got must have only been minimal. The most rain recorded all week was today = 15.4mm.

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http://weather.ninemsn.com.au/nsw/illawarra/otford

Keep in mind, that the south coast track, is very very different to the coast track.
One bears the full brunt of south Antarctic winds, the other is along sydney's coast.

I'm not trying to put you down or anything Phil, I just hope that Luca makes an informed decision. I expect Luca to be extremely cold to attempt the SCT with that vango bag and liner. Highly unlikely to die, but definitely not going to be comfortable.

In regards to the Ferinno tent, shouldnt be a problem on the south coast track. Do your best to rent an emergency beacon beforehand tho!

[ULWalkingPhil]

The coldest condition I've tested it so far was two nights ago at The Royal National Park camping on the exposed coastline, Rained all night and very windy, I was warm with a $5.00 sleeping bag I picked up at a auction, I don't know what the rating is on the bag, but it's not very thick, I've seen the same bag in disposal stores for $40.00,

I'm interested in the bag you posted the link to. I would like to hear back on this bag on EBay with my Downmat, would this setup be warm enough?
I should mention, I also own a Hilleberg 4 season expedition tent.

Phil, I just checked msn weather, and the coldest it got along the coast at otford over the past week, was 14 degrees every night, and there was 0mm of rain until yesterday, so whatever rain you got must have only been minimal. The most rain recorded all week was today = 15.4mm.

weather.png

http://weather.ninemsn.com.au/nsw/illawarra/otford

Keep in mind, that the south coast track, is very very different to the coast track.
One bears the full brunt of south Antarctic winds, the other is along sydney's coast.

I'm not trying to put you down or anything Phil, !

Well you can believe your weather report if you wish, but I was there and it rained all night, very heavy at times. Just ask the school kids beside me, they woke up very wet and cold. I wouldn't lie about this, I was there sitting in my tent listening to the rain. At times it was so heavy I woke up. You know, sometimes when it rains down the end of the street it's pouring down, and where you standing is sunny, This is what it's like were I am from in QLD.

I've got photos I could show you if I could, of a huge rain just a few hundred meters out to sea, it started to shower late afternoon on the Monday and never stopped till I got to Otford, I was able to dry my clothes at Otford waiting for the train, I can not upload photos here using my iPad.

[Lizzy]

Don't underestimate Tassie weather- it is nothing like Sydney!!! Like others said- sure you will probably survive but will not be comfortable unless you are extremely lucky or a very warm sleeper.
Lizzy

[Dale]

Hi Luca

I had a look at the Vango site and the bag you have whilst nice and light is really a summer bag. According to Vango it has 150g of 600 loft down. Unless you are a particularly warm sleeper I imagine that below 10 degrees would be getting chilly. I've never used the reactor liner but it seems to be one of the most questioned pieces of gear on forums with many skeptical of the temp claims.

So if you take this bag to Tassie make sure you have a great mat, tent and clothes to wear inside the bag... Good luck !

[eggs]

We did a trip with a bag rated to 5C, extreme to 0C on the Central Plateau in Jan last year.
After my girl froze in it on the warmer nights - I swapped out and used it myself while she had my nice warm bag.
We had ice on the tent on that night and I was cold with thick thermals on and a silk liner.
If we did it again - I would ensure everyone had a warm bag. Perhaps you could borrow one?

Not sure what a thermal blanket would do - but if you are referring to a space blanket type - it would probably keep you warm, but also very wet as they do not breathe. But I generally take such a blanket for emergency backup on my walks. Its been a while since I have made use of one - but they certainly made me wet.

Cheers
Brian

[ILUVSWTAS]

Not sure what a thermal blanket would do - but if you are referring to a space blanket type - it would probably keep you warm, but also very wet as they do not breathe. But I generally take such a blanket for emergency backup on my walks. Its been a while since I have made use of one - but they certainly made me wet.

Cheers
Brian

Eggs is right here. I spent 45mins in a space blanket one evening curled up on the side of a road, When I woke up I was very very wet.

[nomadic]

My experience is pretty minimal, but I have done the overland track in winter. With an Exped Synth 7mat, a STS Thermal Reactor Extreme liner, and an MD Ultra 700 down bag (rated to "-3"), I was cold. I was also wearing wool thermals and a beanie. The STS thermal reactor extreme had a very very optimistic temperature rating. Plan for the worst, and if you get toasty, you can at least zip your bag partially open. I now think the ground pad you sleep on is perhaps as important as the sleeping bag. You lose so much warmth through the ground when the down underneath you is crushed to the point of providing little or no warmth. Really, that pad is the only thing insulating you from the floor. Make it a good one:)